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Re: Lesson #7 (4th Quarter 2011): The Road to Faith
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From Sabbath: Many people try to separate the law from the gospel; some even see them as contradictory. Not only is this view wrong, it can have tragic consequences. Without the law, we would have no gospel. It’s hard, really, to understand the gospel without the law. Interesting. And I think very correct.
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Re: Lesson #7 (4th Quarter 2011): The Road to Faith
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From today: Paul uses the phrase “under the law” twelve times in his letters. Depending on its context, it can have a couple of different connotations.
1. “Under the law” as an alternative way of salvation (Gal. 4:21). The opponents in Galatia were trying to gain life-giving righteousness by obedience. However, as Paul has already made clear, this is impossible (Gal. 3:21, 22). Paul later will even point out that, by desiring to be under the law, the Galatians were really rejecting Christ (Gal. 5:2–4).
2. “Under the law” in the sense of being under its condemnation (Rom. 6:14, 15). Because the law cannot atone for sin, the violation of its demands ultimately results in condemnation. This is the condition in which all human beings find themselves. The law acts as a prison warden, locking up all who have violated it and brought upon themselves the sentence of death. As we will see in tomorrow’s lesson, the use of the word guard (Gal. 3:23, NKJV) indicates that this is what Paul means by “under the law” in this passage. Wouldn't there be a third connotation - under the jurisdiction of the law - like in Gal. 4:4? I know some understand this passage as applying to the condemnation of the law, but I don't agree with this view.
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Re: Lesson #7 (4th Quarter 2011): The Road to Faith
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Wouldn't there be a third connotation - under the jurisdiction of the law - like in Gal. 4:4? I know some understand this passage as applying to the condemnation of the law, but I don't agree with this view. While I lean toward Gal 4:4 being an example of "salvation by perfect obedience," I agree that "under the jurisdiction of the law" is a valid meaning of "under the law." Perhaps 1 Corinthians 9:20 is an example.
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Re: Lesson #7 (4th Quarter 2011): The Road to Faith
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If we interpret it as "salvation by perfect obedience" in Gal. 4:4, we would have to apply the same meaning to Gal. 4:5, but would this meaning fit Gal. 4:5? Perhaps 1 Corinthians 9:20 is an example. Yes, perhaps it is. What about Gal. 4:21? Would it be "salvation by perfect obedience"? Why does Paul complicate things?
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Re: Lesson #7 (4th Quarter 2011): The Road to Faith
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Re: Lesson #7 (4th Quarter 2011): The Road to Faith
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If we interpret it as "salvation by perfect obedience" in Gal. 4:4, we would have to apply the same meaning to Gal. 4:5, but would this meaning fit Gal. 4:5? That might not be a problem. Galatians 4:4-5 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. We are, by default, under the "covenant" of salvation by perfect obedience. We are under the law in the sense that if we perfectly obey, we can live; if we sin, we die. Jesus was "born under the law" - salvation by perfect obedience - and perfectly obeyed. He did what none of us can, and "earned" life. By His merits, we who are "under the law" at birth can be redeemed - adopted into a New Covenant of salvation by grace through faith.
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Re: Lesson #7 (4th Quarter 2011): The Road to Faith
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Yes, that's a good explanation. I think I thought of the the possibility of jurisdiction of the law influenced by passages such as these:
Christ acknowledged Himself subject to the law. If this were not so, He could not be our Saviour, and take away our sin. {12MR 233.4}
He, the Majesty of heaven, the King of glory, laid aside his royalty, his position as Commander in the heavenly courts, came to our world as a man, and became subject to the law. {ST, July 22, 1897 par. 4}
But, of course, Gal. 4:4 is not quoted in connection with these or other similar passages.
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