The quote's there : what of it? Well, who or what died on the cross for our sins & for us, as divinity cannot die? The Person whose identity is the Son of God, Creator, died as a man.

Sister White says the Author of life suffered on the cross: for God to die he had to become a man in the person of his Son.

That's why it is so, so crucial - as I titled this thread, that God the Father has an only begotten Son since "the days of eternity", else God could not die for sin since he would not be "God himself in the person of his Son", able to become a man, possibly sin, and be the Lamb of God; for, divinity cannot die.


With the SDA trinity doctrine Jesus is no longer the only begotten Son of God since eternity: that's further from the Nicene Creed than we used to be (we opposed its mysticism, among other things), and jeopardises quite possibly salvation itself. How can the Author of life die if he is not actually the eternal Son of God, able to die for sin without threatening the existence of the Godhead? - for, the trinity, were it heavenly reality, would suddenly be two for the first time between eternity and eternity. I'm not being facetious: that's the trinity doctrine's principle.

What is the "other" Trinity doctrine from other denominations that we do not believe?

Oh, here is an example of that EGW statement.
Just a quick thought, here: we are saved to eternal life with the divine life of the Son of God. Obvious perhaps, but worth noting, as we may have to think about it a bit to notice this truth.

Now, the other side of the coin to the first quote above: the "death of the Son of God" (below).

Sister White clearly and easily, in the same passage here - and again & again - states our old, non-trinitarian belief in the Godhead: divinity cannot die, but the individual whose eternal identity is the actual, personal Son of God - hence, equal with the law, died.

D'you see the difference? Jesus is the Son of God his Father, and so divine with his Father; is he also "God the Son", of the doctrine of the trinity? Could he, as "God the Son", die at all while keeping the trinity of three co-eternal persons co-existing together? The SS lesson a few years ago, speaking of the Christ's death of the cross, within John's Gospel, emphasised the sundering of the Godhead/trinity in God's death: is that Biblically true, actually? Sundering, separating, the Powers of heaven, maybe, but not splitting the Godhead in half!!

Listen to the preacher next time he says that humanity died but divinity did not die, leaving open the possibility of an unworthy sacrifice when not mentioning the death of the eternal Son of God. To preserve the death of the Son of God as Gospel teaching, can we confess that "God the Son" (fundamental beliefs #2 & #4) is not the actual Son of God from eternity?

Lastly, that "only he who alone hath immortality", a Biblical statement reserved most likely for the Father, personally, shows that the Son of God defers to his Father in all things, selflessly not claiming that which is his which he has from his Father and which his Father has, too: it is written that God the Father personally alone has immortality, and, while Jesus, God's only begotten Son (see, she openly says that of Jesus, too), has it too, the Bible shows Jesus doesn't claim it but meekly and humbly shows us the Father. God doesn't trumpet it, either.

This is the definition of the Trinity from Wikipedia:



I can't say for sure because I haven't studied our fundamental beliefs on this but I'm optimistic that we don't subscribe to the non-scriptural aspects. The Godhead is a mystery. The trinity doctrine articulated above goes beyond what scripture reveals and muddies the waters.

The question though - is whether anything in the 28 FB is in explicit opposition to any statement made in the quotes listed in your post. I have not found anything to contradict it.

in Christ,

Bob

What's not Scriptural?

Briefly: God is not three persons, but one: the Father. The Godhead of the Father is bodily in his one, begotten Son, too, so more than one person in the fulness of the Godhead is thus revealed. The Spirit is the infinite omnipresence of the Father and his Son, proceeding from their persons to dwell in their intelligent creation, and filling the universe with creative power - but not presence! Thus, they are not exactly the same in every way in possessing the Godhead personally.

The biggest red flag is "consubstantial": this means without form or body, and all three subsisting in a formless substance - mystic mystery. That's what their literature says: I don't care why they say that, as it's not Biblical. It is not in our doctrine, btw, while God as a three-in-one and one-in-three certainly is.

The smaller red flag - it is now in our beliefs but it didn't used to be - is "co-existent": that means that Christ is not the only begotten Son of God, since God and Christ would co-exist for all eternity as two persons, instead of the Son of God being the Word of God from the beginning (Jn 1:1). The Word of God is also the begotten Son of God, a being next to God and who created the universe alongside the Father, since he is the begotten Son of God from eternity.

What the Nicene Creed has which our doctrine doesn't have is the Spirit proceeding from the Father and the Son, so from their nature and persons - the Spirit in the fulness of the Godhead. Our non-trinitarian beliefs, as Adventists, held to this Nicene teaching, as it is rooted in Scripture.

That should do it for now. Our fundamentals are as bad as the generally held trinity doctrine, and a bit worse in places, too, as you can see. Do we need to pull out all the details, or just as proof, then? In a bit.

Maybe, maybe not, but what's the Bible and SOP say on the matter?

That's why I posted what I did at the beginning of this thread.

If the Bible and/or Ellen White have something to say against a given point in the list of Trinitarian statements you outlined in your post - I have not found it so far.

in Christ,

Bob

You didn't?? What of, in post #138211 on p.1 of this thread, that report from New Zealand by Ellen White about facing non-Adventists saying we denied the deity of Christ? What of her and Ellet Waggoner's statements about Jesus' actual, begotten Sonship in the days of eternity?

Both these points are contrary to the Nicene Creed, quite likely mirrored in that wikipedia statement, and the SDA trinity doctrine, aren't they, but have the Bible to back them up?

The Son is God, so this statement can only be false.


Godhead = the essencial nature and condition of being God.


The Spirit is a person.


Consubstantial means "of the same substance."

“I and My Father are One.” The words of Christ were full of deep meaning as He put forth the claim that He and the Father were of one substance, possessing the same attributes.—The Signs of the Times, November 27, 1893, p. 54. {7ABC 437.3}


In the beginning the Word already was. It did not come to existence in the beginning.