My reply was in relation to Rosangela's statement that she made in post #139948. I wasn't agreeing with it or dissagreeing with it, I was just refering to what she had said and only clarifying NASA's data which was not the first day of the full moon phase if such a thing existed.

Rosangela, I never heard of that either, could you explain and give your source?

Sorry, I stand corrected. I was considering the period from one primary phasis (New Moon, First Quarter, Full Moon, Last Quarter) to the next one, when in fact, technically speaking, the intermediate periods are considered intermediate phases (Waxing Crescent, Waxing Gibbous, Waning Gibbous, Waning Crescent). The Full Moon is considered to be the phasis which covers the period when the moon reaches 99% of illumination until it is 100% illuminated and decreases to 99% of illumination again, which takes about 45 hours:

http://astro.unl.edu/naap/lps/animations/lps.html

So, from the Full Moon to the Third Quarter or Last Quarter we have roughly 8 days, but the Full Moon lasts only about 2 days and the Waning Gibbous lasts about 6 days.

It is still clearly instructed in the Law to not leave the house until morning. Who can pick and choose what part of G-d’s instructions in the Law to follow and to not follow? Only the Spirit of G-d has that authority. Human logic should not be given this authority. It is something to inquire before making any conclusion. G-d could require us to keep that part of the law as a reminder to what effect the blood justify us each year.


??? You either don’t believe Jesus knew beforehand that he was going to die that Passover, or maybe you don’t understand the order -- first the lamb is killed then after the passover is eaten.


I agree, and that’s what Num 9:6-14 says those men that missed the passover on the first month should do on the second month-- according to the same instructions of the first month.

However, what I don’t understand is that your contradicting yourself. Aren’t you trying to prove that Jesus died on Nisan 15th??? Please clarify?


No, it’s not clear. First it is against plain instruction in the Law of Moses which says the first day of unleavened bread is on Nisan 15th. Second it defeat the question of preperation and planing for it before the day came. It is what the English translation is implying by adding the word “on” and chosing to formulate the sentence as what they thought it should say. Translators has done many other mistakes.


I re-read the text in Scripture4all and you are right. That verb does refer to the disciples. I appreciate you pointing this out to me.

In v.1, “the approaching” very well means they were still like a week away, whereas in v. 7 “ it has arrived” meaning it’s only 1 or 2 days away and we need to plan about doing the necessary preparation. This is in harmony with the essence and soundness of the question of the disciple. You do not do the preparation on the day you eat of it. It makes no sense. Especially Nisan 15th, the day to eat the passover lamb was a yearly Sabbath day. It was unlawful to do any work on that day.

Preparations was customarily done prior.
....1. So they had to make plans where they were going to eat,
....2. make arrangement for the place,
....3. clean thorougly the place up in removing all leaven,
....4. go buy or get unleavened bread and wine and whatever else needed.
....5. probably dress for the occasion.

You don’t do all those things on the very same day, especially a Sabbath type of day, when you are to eat of it. Makes no sense Rosangela. Having 2 days preperation time is not unreasonable for such an important feast day.

Regarding terminology, Passover is both used as a general term that encapsulate the 3 sub-events (lamb killed, Unleavened bread, first-fruit waving) or referred to the one meal out of the 7 days of unleavened bread where they ate the lamb. No leftovers was allowed to be kept. If they couldn’t eat the whole lamb, then all remaining had to be burned before sunrise. Then they ate unleavened bread for the remaining 6 days.

That one meal(with Paschal lamb customary eaten on the evening of Nisan 15th according to the Law) coincided with the first day of unleavened bread; so it is understandable that these terms would of been used interchangeably. So context, knowing the law, and common sense will tell you the true meaning of the sentence.


Just because the disciple ask the question according to their customs not knowing that Jesus was going to be that actual Paschal lamb the next day; it is a pure speculation to say that Jesus instructed them to prepare a lamb. There’s no mention that Jesus gave such instruction and there’s no mention that they ate the lamb at the meal.

Since, we all know that Jesus was the lamb that was going to be killed and He did give instructions how to apply the passover feast according to the coming age after the cross where He fulfill that part of the Law while preserving the spiritual intend of the Law. It is easily conclusive that it would be contradictory in purpose and in the instructions of the new way to keep the Passover-- to have a lamb at that meal like in the former way. However, it cannot be proven one way or the other.


??? Three major problems with your conclusion :

Problem #1 : It contradicts that the lamb needed to be killed on Nisan 14 between the two evenings (before sunset Nisan 14th/15th)

Problem #2 : It contradicts what EGW said that Jesus was killed on Friday, Nisan 14 according to the appointed time of the Law.

Problem #3: By saying that Jesus was killed Friday Nisan 15th , then Sabbath Nisan 16th wouldn’t of been a high Sabbath as specified in scripture, because Nisan 16th was not a feast’s Sabbath. Therefore, Nisan 15th has to fall on Sabbath to be a Hi-Sabbath.

That some details in the original ritual were modified is clear from other accounts of Passovers in the Scriptures. For instance, in the original ritual the people killed the lambs, but later we see the levites killing the lambs (2 Chron. 35:6; Ezra 6:20). Also, at the Passover in Egypt they had to eat standing, but the whole Jewish tradition says that, since only slaves ate standing, they used to eat the Passover lying along on couches in order to commemorate their liberty (for sources, see John Gill's commentary on Matt. 26:20) - which confirms the account of the gospels.


He knew He was going to die during that Passover season, yes - but see below for comments on the day.


As I said in one of my first posts, Jesus was the antitype of the sacrifices presented in all the feasts - Pentecost, Day of Atonement, Tabernacles - not just in the Passover. This doesn't mean He had to die on the same day these sacrifices were offered. Besides, Christ was the antitype both of the Passover lamb, which was sacrificed on the 14th, and of the unleavened bread, which was broken and eaten on the 15th. The emblems Christ left us in remembrance of His sacrifice were connected not to Nisan 14, but to Nisan 15.


Elle, the accounts speak for themselves:

Matt. 26:
17 Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying, "Where will you have us prepare for you to eat the passover?"
18 He said, "Go into the city to a certain one, and say to him, ‘The Teacher says, My time is at hand; I will keep the passover at your house with my disciples.’"
19 And the disciples did as Jesus had directed them, and they prepared the passover.
20 When it was evening, [at sunset] he sat at table with the twelve disciples

Mark 14:
12 And on the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they sacrificed the passover lamb, his disciples said to him, "Where will you have us go and prepare for you to eat the passover?"
13 And he sent two of his disciples, and said to them, "Go into the city, and a man carrying a jar of water will meet you; follow him,
14 and wherever he enters, say to the householder, ‘The Teacher says, Where is my guest room, where I am to eat the passover with my disciples?’
15 And he will show you a large upper room furnished and ready; there prepare for us."
16 And the disciples set out and went to the city, and found it as he had told them; and they prepared the passover.
17 And when it was evening [at sunset] he came with the twelve.

Luke 22:
7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread, on which the passover lamb had to be sacrificed.
8 So Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, "Go and prepare the passover for us, that we may eat it."
9 They said to him, "Where will you have us prepare it?"
10 He said to them, "Behold, when you have entered the city, a man carrying a jar of water will meet you; follow him into the house which he enters,
11 and tell the householder, ‘The Teacher says to you, Where is the guest room, where I am to eat the passover with my disciples?’
12 And he will show you a large upper room furnished; there make ready."
13 And they went, and found it as he had told them; and they prepared the passover.
14 And when the hour came, [at sunset] he sat at table, and the apostles with him.

What preparation was there to do? The slaying of the lamb and its roasting, and this could only be done on the 14th. Besides, prote ton azumon can only mean "on the first day of unleavened bread" - there is no other possible translation.


The verb is in the aorist indicative, which means that it refers to a punctiliar action which has already happened. You can't say that "came" means "will come in 1 or 2 days." And again, all the preparation was done on the 14th - the Bible is clear about that. (By the way, on the ceremonial sabbath days everything related to the preparation of food could be done.)


Jesus instructed them to prepare the Passover, which meant to prepare a lamb - there was no Passover without a lamb.


No, it doesn't contradict that. The typical lamb was killed on Nisan 14. Jesus observed the last Passover that was ever to be observed and in its place instituted the Communion service. As I said previously, Jesus, the antitypical Lamb, didn't have to die on a Nisan 14.


No, it doesn't contradict what Ellen White said. She said:

In the upper chamber of a dwelling at Jerusalem, Christ was sitting at table with His disciples. They had gathered to celebrate the Passover. The Saviour desired to keep this feast alone with the twelve. He knew that His hour was come; He himself was the true paschal lamb, and on the day the Passover was eaten he was to be sacrificed. DA 642


What does the expression "high day" (John 19:31) mean? How can someone know for sure? Some understand this expression to mean that the Passover Sabbath (Nisan 15) in that year fell on the weekly Sabbath. It could mean this. But this expression can equally mean that in that year there were two Sabbaths, one after the other: the Passover (ceremonial) Sabbath of Nisan 15, followed by the weekly regular Sabbath.
And another possible meaning for the expression “that Sabbath day was a high day” is simply that that Sabbath was special because it was the Sabbath of the Passover Week. Thus, the NIV translates John 19:31 in this way: “Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath.” So, there are three possible interpretations for this expression.

When the Lord applies the law differently because of circumstances, the changes made has authority. Despite I agree that probably that we shouldn’t eat the passover standing up with the staff, it is irrelevant what I think. My point still stand that no man’s logic has authority to cherry pick in the Law what to keep or what not to keep unless He has inquired of the Lord and received an answer from the Lord. Only then the answer has authority.

Jesus often rebuked the Jews of following traditions of men. When man takes authority to change the law without inquiring or receiving instruction from the Lord; it becomes traditions of men.


Rosangela, the feast of Pentecost was fulfilled exactly at the appointed time – at Pentecost when the 40 gathered in the upper room and received the earnest deposit of the Spirit.

The Day of Atonement is still not fulfilled and only will be fulfilled at the 2nd coming when Jesus will come with his vesture dipped in blood(figure of the second dove whose was dipped by the blood of the first dove and of Joseph whose coat was dipped in the blood of goat) on a white horse.


The cross (death of Jesus) is the foundation work that all the rest of the feasts rest on. Now you are elevating the unleavened bread above the cross to support a crucifixion date of Nisan 15th when the unleavened bread has no meaning without the cross??? Be careful!


No it doesn’t. Again the “on” is added, and it makes no sense to prepare for a day that has already came.

There was lots of preperation as it was a very important feast. The most time consuming preperation is to remove all the leaven in the house. If that wasn’t done, they were cut off. On the 14th, typically was the last day to finish all preperations and yes, they had to roast that lamb on that day as customary. However, I do not believe that Jesus instructed the disciples to do that, but that cannot be proven whether He did or not as it is not specified.

And cleaning one room is not as time consuming as cleaning a house. However, they didn’t know what Jesus was going to answer and they might of had to go to someones else’s house, therefore it is reasonable to ask the question 2 days ahead.

You do not plan a big event the same day of the event. I’m sure you don’t plan Christmas on the day of Christmas. Some people plan and do preperation months ahead, however the cleaning of the house start at least a week prior depending how well you maintain your house. And the cooking, you start days ahead too.


There’s no “on” in prote ton azumon.


The aorist is the most vague verb tense there is.


The term Passover is either used to refer to the feast, or to the lamb. It is mostly used in reference to the feast in the Bible.

BTW. As I was looking at all the verses in the Bible with Passover, I found this interesting verse that makes very clear that Jesus, when he was at trial, it is mentioned that day was the preperation day of the passover (Nisan 14th).

Jhn 19:13- 14 “When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha. 14. And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

Jesus died on the preparation of the passover which was Nisan 14th between the two evenings according to the appointed time indicated in the law.

See Jhn 19:14 text given above. Jesus died on Nisan 14th.


Maybe you missed these quotes :

These types were fulfilled, not only as to the event, but as to the time. On the fourteenth day of the first Jewish month, the very day and month on which for fifteen long centuries the Passover lamb had been slain, Christ, having eaten the Passover with His disciples, instituted that feast which was to commemorate His own death as "the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." That same night He was taken by wicked hands to be crucified and slain. GC 399

-“between the two evenings” at the very time the Passover lamb had been slain for centuries. The previous evening He had eaten the last supper with His disciples. The Saviour rested in the tomb on the Sabbath, the 15th day of Nisan, which had been kept as an annual sabbath in type of this event. “Christ was the antitype of the wave-sheaf, and His ressurection took place on the very day when the wave-sheaf was to be presented before the Lord.”-The Desire of Ages, 785.

David and Solomon and other prophets, inspired by God, gave instructions in relation to the temple services and to the feasts, which are not registered in detail in the Scriptures, but which evidently introduced some changes, owing to the change of circumstances. So, the Jewish tradition is important in this case because it confirms the account of the gospels. In Jesus's time the Passover was no longer eaten standing. Also, Jesus and the disciples did not remain the whole night inside the house.


The Passover was also fulfilled exactly at the appointed time, however, in the Passover there were several symbols which pointed to Christ (the lamb, the bread, the sheaf), and specifically, two which pointed to His death - the lamb and the bread. However, He chose the latter as a symbol of His death.


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Above the cross? You should be careful! This is the symbol Jesus Himself chose to symbolize His sacrifice on the cross - the broken bread.


Elle, have you ever studied Greek? If the meaning was other than "on the first day of unleavened bread," another Greek word must necessarily be added to indicate that.


The Bible account is clear that "they prepared the Passover" (Matt. 26:19; Mark 14:16; Luke 22:13). This is three times repeated.


It generally describes a past action if the mood is the indicative, like here. But one thing is sure - that it does not denote that the day of unleavened bread was approaching, for then another verb would have been used. It says that the day "came" and it can't be translated as "was drawing near," as you wish.


I agree that it can refer to the feast, but the reference of the synoptics is to the lamb.

Mark 14:12 And the first day of the unleavened food, when they were killing the passover, his disciples say to him, ‘Where wilt thou, that, having gone, we may prepare, that thou mayest eat the passover?’ (YLT)

It's clear here - the first day of the unleavened bread was when they killed the lambs.

Luke 22:7 And the day of the unleavened food came, in which it was behoving the passover to be sacrificed (YLT)


Nowhere in the Bible can you find that - that Nisan 14 is "the preparation of the Passover." Nisan 14 is the Passover. It was a Friday, and Friday was the day of preparation for the Sabbath. Because it was the Passover week, John calls it the Passover preparation day.
The New International Version correctly translates this verse as follows: “It was the day of Preparation of Passover Week, about the sixth hour. ‘Here is your king,’ Pilate said to the Jews” (John 19:14).


No, I didn't miss them. Ellen White said in the other quote that Christ would be sacrificed on the day the Passover was eaten. In the GC quote it must be borne in mind that time is passing as we advance from the time the lamb is slain to the time the lamb is eaten. During the passage of time we go from the fourteenth to the fifteenth, as the sun sets. Then she says that Christ, "having eaten the Passover" with His disciples, instituted the Communion service. I can't believe Christ transgressed the law of the Passover eating it on the wrong day.


Sure. And on which day was the sheaf waved?
In the festal calendar of Lev. 23 is found the phrase mohorat hassabbat, “morrow after the sabbath” (vv. 11. 15f.). This day is designated as the day for waving a sheaf as part of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Does the word "sabbath" in this phrase refers to one of the days of the feast (the first or the last?) or to a seventh-day sabbath within the festival period? For the Pharisees, “the Sabbath” referred to the first day of Passover, and the 50th day was therefore always 6 Sivan. The Sadducees and later the Karaites understood the term “Sabbath” in its literal sense, so that the counting began on the Sunday of Passover week; thus the date was variable but the holiday would always fall on a Sunday. If Pentecost had a fixed date, why is it that it is the only festival for which no specific date is given in the Bible? The King James Version translates the text in the following way: “And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete.” If we accept that the word “sabbath” means ceremonial sabbath, we come across a serious problem, because there is only one ceremonial sabbath, and not seven, between Nisan 15 and the fiftieth day (Pentecost), namely, Nisan 21. To avoid this, the Rabbinical Jews have to interpret the word “sabbath” in two different ways in the very same verse! They argue that the first sabbath mentioned is none other than the 15th of Nisan, and that here the word “sabbath” means holy day (ceremonial Sabbath). But, in their view, the meaning of “seven sabbaths,” at the end of the verse is seven weeks, and the word “sabbath” in this context means seven days!

Finally, I would like to point out that Christ died at the hour of the evening sacrifice - 3 p.m.

I agree that some of the Jewish traditions are important, however much were “traditions of men” as Jesus often rebuked them. Since much details of the changes of the feasts are not recorded in scriptures, then as Christians it is our duty to inquire of the Lord what modification, additions, subtractions are His and what are traditions of men. If we didn’t receive any answers right away, that’s fine to follow what we currently think how to keep the feast. However, we shouldn’t be conclusive about it and be honest sharing tht "this is what I think but haven’t received confirmation from the Lord". At each feast keeping the Lord will enlighten us a little at a time until we come to embrace the dept, width, breath knowing the mind and heart of the Lord behind each details of the feast.


??? You didn’t even address the nature of the discussion. Pentecost was not fulfilled at the cross, nor the day of atonement as what you believe.


I agreed that the broken bread symbolizes the body of Christ who died at the cross. But the cross was the actual Death of Jesus. Not a symbolism.

I have mentioned in a previous post to you that the fulfillment of the unleavened bread was done by the believer who ate the unleavened bread for 7 days. The unleavened bread feast is not fulfilled by Christ but by the believer, however His death was fulfilled by Him and is the foundation of all rituals. Without the cross, there is no unleavened bread symbolism for the believer to eat.

But this is what have you said Rosangela

You have said that He chose to fulfill His death on Nisan 15 for the reason that the eaten of the unleavened bread that was “the emblems of Christ left us in remembrance of His sacrifice”.

This is the same logic the catholic used to change the worship day to Sunday instead of Sathurday. They have elevated the day of his resurrection to validate the change of day of worship. You have done the same by elevating the first day of unleavened bread(a symbolism fulfilled by believers) more important than His death(the foundation fulfilled by Himself), to justify a change of the day of His death to be on a Nisan 15 contrary to all laws and soundness just to safe keep traditions of men(the SDA interpretation of the 70 weeks).

The cross is the foundation -- the center point —that validates any other components of any other feasts. The components have no meanings without the cross. The cross was the Antitype of the slaying of the lamb on Nisan 14th. The cross was not the Antitype of the 7 day Unleavened bread feast, nor The Pentecost, nor the Day of Atonement.


Look in your scripture4all software, there is no “on” word in the greek. The “on” is an added word by the translators.


Nowhere in the Bible written explicitly that Friday is the preparation day for Sabbath. It is inferred by the context of many texts indirectly, just like Nisan 14 as being the preparation day of 1st day of unleavened bread.

In the law, Nisan 14 is not considered as a convocation Sabbath day as opposed to Nisan 15th which is explictly and clearly given as a command not to do any work on that day. On Nisan 14th you needed to kill the lamb and cook it prior to Nisan 15th which both these activities are considered as “work”. The lamb was only eaten on the 15th with the unleavened bread. So it is inferred that you prepared the lamb before Nisan 15th convocation Sabbath day, which is exactly what we do for a typical weekly sabbath. A preparation day happens the day before the day of importance.

In John 19:14, John says very clearly that the day of Christ death was the preperation of the Passover. He did not say it was the Sabbath preparation day, as you are trying to make that text say. You are adding to the text what is not there. John was making a specific reference to the exact timing of the Passover so to be a written witness of the fulfillment of the prophecies in regard to Nisan 14th. Later down and with other gospel writings we know that day was a Friday which was also a preparation day for the Sabbath and then confirming the two Sabbaths coiinciding by saying that it was a hi-day.

Let’s recap your goal of all this argument.
....A. You’re trying to prove that Jesus ate the Passover on Thursday night(14-15 Nissan) April 26th 31AD, and
....B. that He died on the next day, Friday on Nisan 15th .

Jhn 19:14 says that Friday was the preperation day of the Passover which contradicts your trying to prove A. Wouldn’t you agree that it is impossible to have the preperation of the Passover one day after the passover was eaten? The conclusion is obvious, Jesus ate the passover one day earlier than the rest because He knew that at the time the passover is regularly eaten He would be dead.

Jhn 19:14 also contradicts your point B, because preparation day of the Passover is Nisan 14th, the day before the passover is normally eaten. That Friday was not Nisan 15th.



You can't believe that Jesus ate a passover which is to be fulflled by believers on the wrong day. But you can believed that He died on the wrong day which is the foundation of all Laws and rituals which He was suppose to fulfill Himself according to the law. Can't you see there is something wrong with your logic and where you want to put emphasis on.

Ah! You missed it again, I will increase the font of the part you missed.

-“between the two evenings” at the very time the Passover lamb had been slain for centuries. The previous evening He had eaten the last supper with His disciples. The Saviour rested in the tomb on the Sabbath, the 15th day of Nisan, which had been kept as an annual sabbath in type of this event. “Christ was the antitype of the wave-sheaf, and His ressurection took place on the very day when the wave-sheaf was to be presented before the Lord.”-The Desire of Ages, 785.

It is clear in this quote that EGW says that Jesus was in the tomb Sabbath Nisan 15th. This contradicts that Friday was Nisan 15th and both your point A & B.

Elle, the sacrifices of these feasts were fulfilled at the cross - all the sacrifices were fulfilled at the cross, as the cross is the foundation of all the events of salvation.


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Elle, this argument does not make sense. There was an interaction between the believer and the symbols - the paschal lamb was also eaten. Both symbols were fulfilled by Christ and both symbols represented Christ's death on the cross. Now, as I pointed out previously, for Christ to fulfill the symbolism of the paschal lamb, He didn't have to die on the day the paschal lamb died. For instance, Christ fulfilled the symbolism of the goat for the Lord of the Day of Atonement (which means that the judgment is founded on Christ's sacrifice), but for this He didn't have to die on the 10th day of the 7th month.


Not at all. My reason for believing that Christ died on a Nisan 15 is that the Bible is clear that the disciples came to Jesus on the day that the Passover was being sacrificed/killed (Mark 14:12, Luke 22:7), and the Bible is clear that on that day the disciples prepared the Passover for Christ (Matt. 26:19, Mark 14:16, Luke 22:13), and the Bible is clear in saying that Christ ate the Passover:

Mark 14:14 and wherever he enters, say to the householder, ‘The Teacher says, Where is my guest room, where I am to eat the passover with my disciples?’

Luke 22:11 and tell the householder, ‘The Teacher says to you, Where is the guest room, where I am to eat the passover with my disciples?’

Luke 22:15 And he said to them, "I have earnestly desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer

The Bible is also clear that Christ couldn't have transgressed the law of the Passover without incurring a curse (Gal. 3:10). And what the law said was: “You must keep this ordinance at the appointed time year after year” (Exod. 13:10). The argument you use is like the one which says that Christ transgressed the Sabbath because He was going to die and so would abolish it. What you are saying is that Christ transgressed the law of the Passover because He was going to die and so would not have time to eat it. In both cases, Christ is excused for breaking His Father's laws. But what Christ said was, "I have kept my Father's commandaments" (John 15:10). A sinner can't be a Savior.

There are indeed some apparent discrepancies on the gospel of John, but they can be explained to harmonize with the synoptics; on the other hand, what the synoptics state cannot be explained away.


The translators added the preposition "on" because not doing it would produce bad English grammar, but omitting the "on" in Greek was not bad Greek grammar. Besides, there is no other possible meaning. If the gospel writers meant that the day of unleavened bread was still ahead, either they had to use the verb eggizo (like in Luke 22:1), or the adverb eggus (like in John 2:13, 6:4, 7:2, 11:55), or the preposition pro (before), or the preposition peri (about, around, near). Otherwise nobody would understant that they meant that.


It's clearly said that the Day of Preparation is the day before the Sabbath (Mark 15:42). Besides, there are several other references in the gospels to the fact that that Friday was the Day of Preparation - obviously for the weekly Sabbath.


No, they weren't considered "work" on a ceremonial sabbath. The killing of sacrifices should be done every day, even on the weekly Sabbath and on ceremonial sabbaths, and, as I had said, the preparation of food was also permitted on ceremonial sabbaths:

Exodus 12:16 On the first day you shall hold a holy assembly, and on the seventh day a holy assembly; no work shall be done on those days; but what every one must eat, that only may be prepared by you.

So, these things were indeed done on Nisan 14, not in "preparation" for the feast of unleavened bread, but because Nisan 14 was the Passover day. Anyway, previously your argument had been that Thursday couldn't have been Nisan 14 because these things had to be prepared much in advance and not in a single day (which is not true), and now you are saying that these things had to be done on Nisan 14 because Nisan 14 was the "preparation" for Passover. Which is it?


I think you haven't realized that these are someone else's words. Ellen White's words are those between the commas ("Christ was...").

Elle, in what way does Ellen White say we should observe the feast of tabernacles?

Rosangela, I appreciate you sharing your belief that Jesus died on Nisan 15. To be honest with you it was the first time I heard someone having that opinion. After reading several SDA website with their views on it, I see that the church is divided in half in this belief. Some believe as I do that Christ died on Nisan 14, and others as you do.

I feel we have started to go in circles. Since I have so much other things I want to look at and other discussion I want to participate in, I personally don’t want to engage in a cicular discussion. You have expressed your views and I mine.

However, I would like to look at other data that also define the time of Jesus death. So if there is some question in your post that you really want me to address, let me know and I will answer them for you. Then we can move forward. First, I need to answer Daryl a question in another discussion before coming back here.