I am begining to understand how it was the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, veiled to allow Himself to be with His creation, man.

On this statement of yours, aren't you blurring the identities of Father and Son by the underlined part, after you clarified earlier that God and Christ are both God but distinct, divine persons?

On the rest of your theme, Christ is indeed clearly divine from the testimony of Scripture: Amen!

Denying the deity of Christ isn't clever, of course, but our church didn't do that historically, actually. The JWs are of course wrong with their translation of the Bible (New World Translation)! - as any good Greek scholar can attest.

You are aware, aren't you, that Adventism, before publishing or professing the word trinity (several times by 1950) and the trinity doctrine (1980), affirmed the full deity and pre-existence of Christ without adopting the trinity doctrine? How familiar are you with our historical publications on the deity of Christ, Rick?

"...Paul to the Colossians. Speaking of Christ as the One through whom we have redemption, he describes Him as the One "who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of every creature; for by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers; all things were created by Him, and for Him; and He is before all things, and by Him all things consist." Col. 1:15-17.

This wonderful text should be carefully studied and often contemplated. It leaves not a thing in the universe that Christ did not create. He made everything in heaven, and Christ And His Righteousness. everything on earth; He made everything that can be seen, and everything that cannot be seen; the thrones and dominions, and the principalities and the powers in heaven, all depend upon Him for existence. And as He is before all things, and their Creator, so by Him do all things consist or hold together. This is equivalent to what is said in Heb. 1:3, that He upholds all things by the word of His power. It was by a word that the heavens were made; and that same word
holds them in their place, and preserves them from
destruction."

EJ Waggoner, Christ and His Righteousness.

I love this quote, Brother Waggoner was truly in Christ when he wrote 'Christ and His righteousness'...

"The Scriptures declare that Christ is "the only begotten son of God." He is begotten, not created. As to when He was begotten, it is not for us to inquire, nor could our minds grasp it if we were told. The prophet Micah tells us all that we can know about it, in these words: "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall He come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity." Micah 5:2, margin. There was a time when Christ proceeded forth and came from God, from the bosom of the Father (John 8:42; 1:18), but that time was so far back in the days of eternity that to finite comprehension it is practically without beginning."

I believe God gave us another glimpse when this manifestation of the personage of Christ was revealed to the angels, which lets us peer in as far as God will allow on the origins of His divine Son. The vision was given to Mrs White at the beginning of her ministry and it is recorded in Early Writings.

"Sorrow filled heaven as it was realized that man was lost and that the world which God had created was to be filled with mortals doomed to misery, sickness, and death, and that there was no way of escape for the offender. The whole family of Adam must die. I then saw the lovely Jesus and beheld an expression of sympathy and sorrow upon His countenance. Soon I saw Him approach the exceeding bright light which enshrouded the Father. Said my accompanying angel, “He is in close converse with His Father.” The anxiety of the angels seemed to be intense while Jesus was communing with His Father. Three times He was shut in by the glorious light about the Father, and the third time He came from the Father ("from the bosom of the Father" John 8:42; 1:18) we could see His person. His countenance was calm, free from all perplexity and trouble, and shone with a loveliness which words cannot describe. He then made known to the angelic choir that a way of escape had been made for lost man; that He had been pleading with His Father, and had obtained permission to give His own life as a ransom for the race, to bear their sins, and take the sentence of death upon Himself, thus opening a way whereby they might, through the merits of His blood, find pardon for past transgressions, and by obedience be brought back to the garden from which they were driven. Then they could again have access to the glorious, immortal fruit of the tree of life to which they had now forfeited all right." {EW 126.1}

JSOT,

Are you an antitrinitarian?

No maam. I use the title 'God head' to avoid the argument, but Jesus is a separate entity with the Father and His Spirit.

Speaking as someone who looked and acted so much like his earthly Father that his mom didn't like him through High-school, I can relate to the concept of being separate but the same.

When Jesus came to earth as a baby, the throne in heaven was not vacant. When He was on the cross, the Father was right there in the cloud next to Him feeling His pain. so they are distinctly separate but so much the same that they are one.

Jesus speaks for the Father because the Father sent Him to do just that. So many think Jesus came to save us barely supported by the Father. In what God has shown me, the Father loves us so much He allowed His Son to save us. It was His will too, but He was torn from not wanting to lose His Son to the separation of death for even one second.

Jesus did plead for us before coming, but it was so the Father could see He was not afraid to die for us. I love the fact that the Father loves His Son even more for dying for us. Isn't that awesome? Perfect love can grow!

We are supposed to reach this same unity with Christ, separate but the same, reflecting His image.

The last information supports the trinity type doctrine I believe. Could you share why you would think that I might be anti-trinity? In anticipation to why you might think that, I was studying what I wrote and quoted earlier and here is a thought...

When Jesus had created the angels, He did not 'lord' His superiority over them; instead He appeared as an angel... Michael, the one like God.

When He came to redeem men, He did the same. The angels saw His earthly personage just after Adam fell when the plan of salvation was announced before He came to earth, and this is the first time the angels had seen Him in this form.

I hope that answers your question.

One time when someone told me Jesus is the only form of the Father, the Holy Spirit prompted me to ask, "Is Jesus a ventriloquist? Because the bible says there are times the voice of the Father spoke to His Son from heaven while Jesus was on earth".

Hi James,
This is really confusing, it reads as if Christ was created. I have highlighted the area in question.
Notice the *and* also the period at the end of the italicized sentence.
Thanks for clarifying.
God Bless,
Will

Hi Brother will,

It does sound confusing unless you look at it from this perspective...

Would there be a need for a 'Christ' if there were no one to worship His Father? When He created men in His image, He also made a way of escaping the second death for anyone who would sin. Since He is the 'Lamb who was slain from the foundation of the world' He created the plan of salvation and the title and position of 'Christ', He did not create Himself.

Christ has a throne and dominion. It was Created by Himself for Himself in honor and for the glory of His Father who gave Him the power.

Does that make it clearer?