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What is the new heart? #145805
10/07/12 05:42 PM
10/07/12 05:42 PM
Mountain Man  Offline OP
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What is the new heart? It is the new mind. What is the mind? It is the will. Where is your will? It is either on Satan's side or Christ's side. Now it is up to you. Will you put your will today on Christ's side of the question? That is the new heart. It is the new will, a new mind. "A new heart will I give thee." Then let us begin right here. Conversion is simple, very simple. Let us commence right here to come into the kingdom of heaven. How? As a little child. Just as simple as simple can be. You may get all your mysteries of the new birth, and you cannot make anybody understand it, or understand it yourself. But the best way for you is to give your mind to Jesus Christ. {1SAT 210}

The will is the governing power in the nature of man. If the will is set right, all the rest of the being will come under its sway. The will is not the taste or the inclination, but it is the choice, the deciding power, the kingly power, which works in the children of men unto obedience to God or to disobedience. (TE 113)

Every child should understand the true force of the will. He should be led to see how great is the responsibility involved in this gift. The will is the governing power in the nature of man, the power of decision, or choice. Every human being possessed of reason has power to choose the right. In every experience of life, God’s word to us is, “Choose you this day whom ye will serve.” Joshua 24:15. Everyone may place his will on the side of the will of God, may choose to obey Him, and by thus linking himself with divine agencies, he may stand where nothing can force him to do evil. In every youth, every child, lies the power, by the help of God, to form a character of integrity and to live a life of usefulness. (ED 289)

You need to drink daily at the fountain of truth, that you may understand the secret of pleasure and joy in the Lord. But you must remember that your will is the spring of all your actions. This will, that forms so important a factor in the character of man, was at the Fall given into the control of Satan; and he has ever since been working in man to will and to do of his own pleasure, but to the utter ruin and misery of man.

But the infinite sacrifice of God in giving Jesus, His beloved Son, to become a sacrifice for sin, enables Him to say, without violating one principle of His government: “Yield yourself up to Me; give Me that will; take it from the control of Satan, and I will take possession of it; then I can work in you to will and to do of My good pleasure.” When He gives you the mind of Christ, your will becomes as His will, and your character is transformed to be like Christ’s character. (5T 515)

Our will is to be yielded to Him, that we may receive it again, purified and refined, and so linked in sympathy with the Divine that He can pour through us the tides of His love and power. (MB 62) When we place our will in unison with the will of God, the holy obedience that was exemplified in the life of Christ will be seen in our lives. (OHC 107)

"The will is the governing power in the nature of man, the power of decision, or choice." The "new heart" Jesus implants is the will. Do you think the will includes the "clamors of our fallen nature" (DA 122)?

If so, do you think sinful flesh willfully chooses to sin tempting us to sin? Or, do you think the "new heart" (will, mind) excludes self, sinful flesh, sinful tendencies, evil heart, lower, corrupt nature?

Re: What is the new heart? [Re: Mountain Man] #145928
10/15/12 06:42 AM
10/15/12 06:42 AM
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What you need to understand is the true force of the will. This is the governing power in the nature of man, the power of decision, or of choice. Everything depends on the right action of the will. The power of choice God has given to men; it is theirs to exercise. You cannot change your heart, you cannot of yourself give to God its affections; but you can choose to serve Him. You can give Him your will; He will then work in you to will and to do according to His good pleasure. Thus your whole nature will be brought under the control of the Spirit of Christ; your affections will be centered upon Him, your thoughts will be in harmony with Him. {SC 47.1}
Desires for goodness and holiness are right as far as they go; but if you stop here, they will avail nothing. Many will be lost while hoping and desiring to be Christians. They do not come to the point of yielding the will to God. They do not now choose to be Christians. {SC 47.2}


It is evident that our will must constantly yield to the will of God. Again and again in this book we are told that it requires a constant communication. Like Paul says, 1 Thessalonians 5:17 - "Pray without ceasing."


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: What is the new heart? [Re: Johann] #145932
10/15/12 11:01 PM
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It is my desire that we may pray without ceasing that God will keep our hearts renewed throughout our daily experience. That we make this more important than anything else in all of our deliberations.

Thank you, Mountain Man, for reminding us of this necessity!


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: What is the new heart? [Re: Johann] #145933
10/15/12 11:07 PM
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"When truth becomes an abiding principle in the life, the soul is “born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever.” This new birth is the result of receiving Christ as the Word of God. When by the Holy Spirit divine truths are impressed upon the heart, new conceptions are awakened, and the energies hitherto dormant are aroused to co-operate with God. {AA 520.1}

When you accept Christ as the divine manifestation of the words of the Father made flesh, that is when we are truly born again. The mind is renewed and we stand sinless before God. We have all the power of heaven to keep us from sinning at that moment and all the angels of heaven to protect us.

God would not make it our strength to guide us from that moment.

His will becomes our will if we yield to His softening influence. We must will to be guided, but His strength overcomes sin for us. He shows us exactly what sin caused Him and this causes our hearts to hate sin.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: What is the new heart? [Re: jamesonofthunder] #145951
10/16/12 08:02 PM
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Here is perfection of faith. Listen closely and you will see how to meet with God. How to become "in Christ" and He in you.

"The summing up of the benefit of prayer is that devotion that leads to faith in God’s promises. This faith is the key that opens the divine treasury, is the hand by which we appropriate to our use the richest gifts of God. The prayer of the contrite heart unlocks the treasure house of supplies, and lays hold of omnipotent power. This kind of prayer enables the suppliant to understand what it means to lay hold of the strength of God, and to make peace with him. This kind of prayer causes us to have an influence over those with whom we associate. The prayer of faith is not listless, dry, and uninteresting. It wells up from perfect trust and assurance, and by its fervor makes manifest to the world, to angels, and to men, that you do believe in God, and have made Christ your personal Saviour. The Lord Jehovah accepts the argument that is presented in the name of his Son, and places the resources of his merit at your command. It is our privilege and duty to bring the efficacy of the name of Christ into our petitions, and use the very arguments that Christ has used in our behalf. Our prayers will then be in complete harmony with the will of God. Then it is that Christ clothes the contrite suppliant with his own priestly vestments, and the human petitioner approaches the altar holding the holy censer, from which ascends the incense of the fragrance of the merit of Christ’s righteousness." {ST June 18, 1896, par. 8}

This is the true Advent Message, Christ IN US the Hope of Glory.

Everything my Father has taught me leads me here. Go to the gate, see the shame Jesus bore for you and have access to this kind of power in the will of the Father.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: What is the new heart? [Re: jamesonofthunder] #145952
10/16/12 08:14 PM
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Amen


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: What is the new heart? [Re: jamesonofthunder] #146192
10/22/12 07:04 PM
10/22/12 07:04 PM
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The Bible also says that where our heart (will) is, there our treasure is also.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: What is the new heart? [Re: Daryl] #146194
10/22/12 07:52 PM
10/22/12 07:52 PM
Mountain Man  Offline OP
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It's too bad so many believe people are born again with an "evil heart".

It's also too bad they believe the "clamoring of our fallen nature" counts as sinning.

Re: What is the new heart? [Re: Mountain Man] #146394
10/28/12 10:22 PM
10/28/12 10:22 PM
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Born again with an "evil heart"? confused


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

http://www.christians-discuss.com/forum/index.php
Re: What is the new heart? [Re: Daryl] #146415
10/29/12 05:24 PM
10/29/12 05:24 PM
Mountain Man  Offline OP
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Yes, there are people who believe such a thing.

Re: What is the new heart? [Re: Mountain Man] #146531
11/03/12 01:10 AM
11/03/12 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
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What is the new heart? It is the new mind. What is the mind? It is the will. Where is your will? It is either on Satan's side or Christ's side. Now it is up to you. Will you put your will today on Christ's side of the question? That is the new heart. It is the new will, a new mind. "A new heart will I give thee." Then let us begin right here. Conversion is simple, very simple. Let us commence right here to come into the kingdom of heaven. How? As a little child. Just as simple as simple can be. You may get all your mysteries of the new birth, and you cannot make anybody understand it, or understand it yourself. But the best way for you is to give your mind to Jesus Christ. {1SAT 210}

The will is the governing power in the nature of man. If the will is set right, all the rest of the being will come under its sway. The will is not the taste or the inclination, but it is the choice, the deciding power, the kingly power, which works in the children of men unto obedience to God or to disobedience. (TE 113)

Every child should understand the true force of the will. He should be led to see how great is the responsibility involved in this gift. The will is the governing power in the nature of man, the power of decision, or choice. Every human being possessed of reason has power to choose the right. In every experience of life, God’s word to us is, “Choose you this day whom ye will serve.” Joshua 24:15. Everyone may place his will on the side of the will of God, may choose to obey Him, and by thus linking himself with divine agencies, he may stand where nothing can force him to do evil. In every youth, every child, lies the power, by the help of God, to form a character of integrity and to live a life of usefulness. (ED 289)

You need to drink daily at the fountain of truth, that you may understand the secret of pleasure and joy in the Lord. But you must remember that your will is the spring of all your actions. This will, that forms so important a factor in the character of man, was at the Fall given into the control of Satan; and he has ever since been working in man to will and to do of his own pleasure, but to the utter ruin and misery of man.

But the infinite sacrifice of God in giving Jesus, His beloved Son, to become a sacrifice for sin, enables Him to say, without violating one principle of His government: “Yield yourself up to Me; give Me that will; take it from the control of Satan, and I will take possession of it; then I can work in you to will and to do of My good pleasure.” When He gives you the mind of Christ, your will becomes as His will, and your character is transformed to be like Christ’s character. (5T 515)

Our will is to be yielded to Him, that we may receive it again, purified and refined, and so linked in sympathy with the Divine that He can pour through us the tides of His love and power. (MB 62) When we place our will in unison with the will of God, the holy obedience that was exemplified in the life of Christ will be seen in our lives. (OHC 107)

"The will is the governing power in the nature of man, the power of decision, or choice." The "new heart" Jesus implants is the will. Do you think the will includes the "clamors of our fallen nature" (DA 122)?

If so, do you think sinful flesh willfully chooses to sin tempting us to sin? Or, do you think the "new heart" (will, mind) excludes self, sinful flesh, sinful tendencies, evil heart, lower, corrupt nature?
Great quote..

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