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Re: Our Guardian Angels? [Re: Johann] #149218
01/24/13 11:34 PM
01/24/13 11:34 PM
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In some cases, as I have understood the situation, Christian people may be standing before a judge, an assembly, or in any special circumstances, when they have been quite desperate, not knowing how to present the truth in the best light possible. They may have sighed a prayer. Then, without knowing what was going on, they saw themselves saying or performing something that was beyond their knowledge or experience. To them it was something they could not understand. It looked like they were doing it, and yet it was some other agent in them doing it.

This is how I have understood some of the stories I have read in the past where the conclusion drawn is that it was an unseen angel working through that person.

This is how I understood many of those experiences ever since my childhood, and I have found no reason to change that picture now. Because I have seen divine miracles.

I also totally agree with this, although EGW doesn't seem to be speaking of this kind of experience in that quote.

Re: Our Guardian Angels? [Re: kland] #149219
01/24/13 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted By: kland
Originally Posted By: JAK
Originally Posted By: Daryl
Continuing on from my previous post here, don't you think that God could give an angel all the necessary credentials needed today, if called upon to present those credentials, in order for that angel to speak before the various councils of men?


Like a sleeper agent? In other words, God gives the angel a cover story. The angel isn't really who he says he is. Kind of a lie, isn't it?

I do think that angels are at times present on earth, manifesting themselves as humans, as Johann has pointed out.
But if they manifest themselves as humans, isn't that a lie as you say?

I was thinking the same thing.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Our Guardian Angels? [Re: Daryl] #149220
01/25/13 12:18 AM
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True, "If" the angel in question appeared as a specific person, or had a specific identity.

In other words, if an angel appeared in "their councils", he/she/?? would have to be a specific person, with some kind of credentials, else why would the "rulers of this world" allow them in or listen to them? Why would a Christian on defense allow a random stranger to testify for them? (Ie: how would they know about this guy to get him/her/?? to testify?) The prosecuting attorney would want to know who this witness is, ergo some sort of "cover story". This could be construed as a falsehood.

On the other hand, if some young christian girl is driving alone along a remote and desolate stretch of highway and has a flat tire and a car full of thugs pulls up behind her with malice aforethought, and said thugs surround the car, and the young christian girl prays for protection, and the thugs look into the car window and see two big Marines sitting in the back seat and promptly leave, then this could only be viewed as God protecting his children. The angels where not attempting to pass themselves off as any particular person, just a couple Marines (whom every sane person has a justifiably healthy respect for.) Ie: Not a lie.

But that was a good question.


"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
Re: Our Guardian Angels? [Re: JAK] #149222
01/25/13 10:27 AM
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Divinity is never a falsehood to the believer.

To the unbeliever the creation story, as well as any manifestation of divinity, is a falsehood.

Angels are the heavenly servants of divinity who do their service here on earth. Since we do not comprehend divinity, and divinity is not limited to human achievements, much of what they do cannot be explained and may seem to us as a lie, if we take pleasure in entertaining such thoughts.

May God help us to have our understanding more open to divine interventions in our lives, that the world may see that we are His children.

In my youth I met a number of people who had known Ellen White as a personal friend, and some even stayed with her in her home. Now all of those people have passed away. Does that make it more difficult for us to realize how great things God is able to do, also through His human humble servants? How about when they work together with angels?


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: Our Guardian Angels? [Re: Daryl] #149330
01/30/13 07:12 PM
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Here is what EGW wrote about guardian angels

This is another quote:

A guardian angel is appointed to every follower of Christ. These heavenly watchers shield the righteous from the power of the wicked one. This Satan himself recognized when he said: "Doth Job fear God for nought? Hast not Thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side?" Job 1:9, 10. The agency by which God protects His people is presented in the words of the psalmist: "The angel of the Lord encampeth round about them that fear Him, and delivereth them." Psalm 34:7. Said the Saviour, speaking of those that believe in Him: "Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of My Father." Matthew 18:10. The angels appointed to minister to the children of God have at all times access to His presence. Thus God's people, exposed to the deceptive power and unsleeping malice of the prince of darkness, and in conflict with all the forces of evil, are assured of the unceasing guardianship of heavenly angels. Nor is such assurance given without need. If God has granted to His children promise of grace and protection, it is because there are mighty agencies of evil to be met--agencies numerous, determined, and untiring, of whose malignity and power none can safely be ignorant or unheeding. {GC 512, 513}

Re: Our Guardian Angels? [Re: Rosangela] #149456
02/06/13 02:20 AM
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So only the followers of Christ have their own respective guardian angels?

Until I read the EGW quote provided by Rosangela, I thought that everybody had a guardian angel.

I assume everybody has their own recording angel.


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Re: Our Guardian Angels? [Re: Daryl] #149458
02/06/13 07:19 AM
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Scripture teaches us that Satan is the ruler of this world, but that does not prevent the Holy Spirit from influencing people - and the Holy Spirit working through those who have accepted Christ - appealing to people that they open a living connection with their Creator. Then He will provide them with a guardian angel.

I have a notion some people we do not consider Christian at all might have this protection.

Originally Posted By: Daryl
So only the followers of Christ have their own respective guardian angels?

Until I read the EGW quote provided by Rosangela, I thought that everybody had a guardian angel.

I assume everybody has their own recording angel.

Last edited by Johann; 02/06/13 07:20 AM.

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