Johann,

It is true that we are not all the same on this issue. Mrs. White said that there are "a small minority" of people who do not need to use milk and eggs. My family is acquainted with just such a family who have always, throughout their entire lifetime, been strictly vegan and who, in spite of this, are stockily built and in excellent health.

B-12, as kland said, is not produced by yeast. It is, sometimes, added as a supplement. While attending one of our vegan-diet institutions for a year, my doctor prescribed B-12 shots, one a week. The school nurse gave me a shot of cyanocobalamin once a week throughout the year. Adhering strictly to that diet, I became anemic in about February or so of that school year. It was discovered that I had signs of megaloblastic anemia, resulting from B-12 deficiency. My doctor later learned of the inefficacy of cyanocobalamin. Now he recommends the other form.

At the time of my deficiency I had all of the classic signs. Numbness, tingling in extremities, fatigue, lack of taste and smell, little appetite, memory loss, etc. Three eggs a day for about three months brought me out of it.

Oh, and as it relates to this thread--the nutritional yeast was not served at that time in that institution, nor did they then use yeast to raise their bread. In the former case, they were concerned about promoting Candida, and in the latter--they didn't use any sugar, so the yeast had nothing to eat and the bread was unfit for consumption, forcing them to use a kind of baking powder instead.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

reference please. Have we not be around this corner before?
Animal foods - meat, milk, eggs."Shortly" EVEN milk. By small minority? Nope.

During past centuries volcanic eruptions here in Iceland made it very difficult for farmers to obtain all the nutrition needed for consumption. Milk and milk products, either from cows or sheep, saved many lives.

Now more and more people are developing allergies to milk and milk products, and as our farmers are learning how to grow more and more vegetables, berries and fruit, these are becoming life savers for many. I do not know of any instances where milk and egg are needed to preserve life.

One animal product seems still rather essential to preserve health, and that is cod liver oil because of the lack of sunshine during the winter months. This is a needed source of vitamin D and prevents arthritis and rheumatism. Do you have a suggestion of a better source of vitamin D?

Here even strict vegetarians use this cod liver oil.

Yes, that's what I was thinking too!

Maybe he has discovered something to support that statement? Otherwise, this may be an example of when you like (fill in the blank), you will go to all kind of contortions to justify it, even maintaining your stance when pointed out by others that it is not supported.

Was it volcanic eruptions or was it winter months which caused a lack of Vitamin D?

Maybe you could do a search and let us know how much sun exposure is needed to give adequate Vitamin D during the winter months at your latitude or location.

Here is a piece from the National Institute of Health that may help explain why vegans decline in mental capacity over time.



Basically, what is happening is this: the folate prevents the most noticeable symptoms of B12 deficiency, so that it goes undetected. The B12 was needful for the brain and nervous system. Since the more obvious symptoms of deficiency are absent, the brain and nervous system finally sustain permanent damage as a result of the lack of B12.

Consider that folate is present in high quantities in foods like Brussel's sprouts, nuts, beans, yeast and leafy green vegetables. There has further been a supplementation program in place which puts folate into things like flour, so that most people in America have adequate intake of folate. Vegans would easily be able to obtain sufficient folate. But their B12 levels might run dangerously low without their realizing it.

So, if you don't want those "cognitive symptoms associated with vitamin B12 deficiency," you might want something with some actual B12 in it.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Green - do you know the difference between Folic Acid and Folate???

Sure. But I'll quote from the NIH again, as you might respect the scientific source above my say-so.


Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Ah - did you read your quote? Folate is a "generic term". Really? So they are treating Folate and Folic Acid as being the same thing. But are they? NO. And there in lies the rub. The government thinks we need FOLIC acid in everything. But do we? NO. FOLIC acid is NOT FOLATE, though you NIH quote would like us to believe that they are the same thing. But don't take my word for it.
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/can-folic-acid-be-harmful/

You're arguing with the wrong person. If you want to argue with the National Institute of Health, you'll have to write to them.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.