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Ah - you brought it up, but are you now saying your are ignorant of the differences?
The point is, that Folate and Folic acid are not the same. Look at the short video I posted. Folic Acid - an synthetic compound is associated with many bad things. If you THINK that Folic Acid and Folate are the same thing, then you badly mistaken.
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Re: Nutritional Yeast
[Re: APL]
#154347 07/22/1304:22 AM07/22/1304:22 AM
Ah - you brought it up, but are you now saying your are ignorant of the differences?
The point is, that Folate and Folic acid are not the same. Look at the short video I posted. Folic Acid - an synthetic compound is associated with many bad things. If you THINK that Folic Acid and Folate are the same thing, then you badly mistaken.
APL,
Are you trying to illustrate your lack of B12? The subject was not about the distinction between terms. The subject was the fact that B12 deficiency can be masked, and many vegans may be short of B12 without realizing it. The result may be permanent impairment of the mental faculties and/or nervous system.
In my few years of observing such things, I have seen two things that seem to precipitate the onset of irrationality: mercury, and lack of B12. Mercury causes rages in addition to the loss of normal reasoning pathways. Lack of B12 seems to injure judgment ability. Both affect memory (so does loss of sleep).
This thread is about yeast. Yeast does not provide B12. Yeast provides folate. Folate may mask the detrimental effects of B12 deficiency until the damage done to the nervous system and mind has become permanent.
For this reason, it is recommended that those supplementing with folate also take a B12 supplement at the same time.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Green - there is a big difference between Folic Acid and Folate. and it has significant implications which FEW seem to realize. Your post said high Folate, then speaks of high Folic Acid. The two are NOT the same. Read YOUR post!
Originally Posted By: green
Health Risks from Excessive Folate Large amounts of folic acid can correct the megaloblastic anemia, but not the neurological damage,
Hello - - don't take Folic Acid!!! If you are taking Folic Acid, you can't then make a blanket statement that Folate is the problem. Folic Acid is a synthetic compound. It is used in pills because it is more stable than Folate. Enzymatic activity that converts Folic Acid to Folate is very low, thus it can cause a build up of FOLIC acid. Folic acid indeed may cause the problem you claim. But not Folate. The take home message? Eat real food. Do take supplemental Folic acid. Your article and are interchanging the two terms, thus the confusion, and the wrong conclusion.
Originally Posted By: green
For this reason, it is recommended that those supplementing with folate also take a B12 supplement at the same time.
Wrong. Those that supplement with FOLIC acid, take B12. Better yet, don't take Folic acid. Eat your green.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son!{ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Nutritional Yeast
[Re: APL]
#154349 07/22/1306:28 AM07/22/1306:28 AM
Perhaps you need a B12 supplement. You still have not grasped the issue under discussion. Folic acid and/or folate do not cause any problems at all. They are not the problem.
They (I'm not going to argue about the fine details of their differences, though the NIH calls folic acid "folate," and I'm not going to argue with them either just now) prevent megaloblastic anemia.
How is this a problem? It isn't. The problem is not because of folate or lack thereof. Most vegans may even be getting too much folate if anything. The problem is that B12 deficiency would normally cause megaloblastic anemia as one of its early symptoms. The folate prevents this, thus leaving the B12 deficiency to "go to the brain," so to speak, unnoticed before causing nerve/brain tissue damage.
Take all the folate you want. Yeast will provide it. Avoid B12 at your own risk. Yeast does not naturally have any.
Oh...if you're a woman of child-bearing age, be sure to get enough folate.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Green - - read the details - they are important. Your NIH article says of Folate, but it speaking of FOLIC acid. READ YOUR ARTICLE AGAIN. You CANNOT equate Folate with Folic acid. Your article is NOT addressing what you claim it is, in the snippet your provided. You may not argue with the printed article, but I do all the time. I have to in my line of work read the details. Your article repeatedly said FOLIC Acid, for which I agree!! Folate - no. Again - you CANNOT equate Folic Acid with Folate. Here is your snippet - are they REALLY speaking about Folate? OR are they speaking about Folic Acid?
Originally Posted By: posted by Green
Health Risks from Excessive Folate Large amounts of folic acid can correct the megaloblastic anemia, but not the neurological damage, that can result from vitamin B12 deficiency. Some experts have therefore been concerned that high folic acid intakes might "mask" vitamin B12 deficiency until its neurological consequences become irreversible. But anemia is no longer the basis for diagnosing vitamin B12 deficiency, so the focus of concern has shifted to the possibility that large amounts of folic acid could precipitate or exacerbate the anemia and cognitive symptoms associated with vitamin B12 deficiency, perhaps by increasing homocysteine or methylmalonic acid concentrations [2,40,77-80]. However, the high homocysteine and methylmalonic acid concentrations in people with both low vitamin B12 and high folate concentrations could be due to severe malabsorptive conditions or pernicious anemia rather than high folic acid intakes [81,82]. High blood folate concentrations do not appear to exacerbate vitamin B12 deficiency in healthy, young adults [83].
So tell me again, what is this snippet in the article you posted talking about? Folate or Folic acid?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son!{ST, January 20, 1890}
Your article repeatedly said FOLIC Acid, for which I agree!! Folate - no.
So what you are saying is that Folic Acid would prevent megaloblastic anemia, thus masking the symptoms of vitamin B12 deficiency, but you do not believe that folate would?
To my view, either one should counter megaloblastic anemia. You have yet to even mention such, much less support anything other than your diatribe that is splitting hairs over the semantics.
Again, I think you need B12. Ask your doctor to check your blood levels for B12 at your next opportunity.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
It is written for doctors and health professionals.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
So what you are saying is that Folic Acid would prevent megaloblastic anemia, thus masking the symptoms of vitamin B12 deficiency, but you do not believe that folate would?
To my view, either one should counter megaloblastic anemia. You have yet to even mention such, much less support anything other than your diatribe that is splitting hairs over the semantics.
GREEN - I'm speaking specifically of the article YOU posted. The snippet of the article you posted does not support your generalization of Folate.
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The subject was not about the distinction between terms. The subject was the fact that B12 deficiency can be masked, and many vegans may be short of B12 without realizing it. The result may be permanent impairment of the mental faculties and/or nervous system.