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Re: Nutritional Yeast
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07/22/13 03:43 PM
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It is written for doctors and health professionals. Green - I am one. Would you be one who believes the NIH and WHO are ones to go to for your health questions?
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Re: Nutritional Yeast
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It is written for doctors and health professionals. Green - I am one. Would you be one who believes the NIH and WHO are ones to go to for your health questions? I am one who understands there is a lot of noise in the medical literature and the signal is sometimes hard to detect. I have seen in my lifetime a shift in the way medical research has been conducted in the US. In the 1970's, much of the research was performed in universities, often funded by the government. In the 1980's under Reagan, funding shifted to the private sector yet still done in universities. 1990's (i'm being very general with my dates) a further deterioration occurred with research not only funded by for-profit industry, but the research was performed by for-profit research firms. Negative studies are often never published due to the financial implications. Follow the money! I now understand the simplicity and effectiveness of the information that has been given to this church, and how it would be the most effective means to cut medical costs and reduce most chronic diseases. And it is Adventists that seem to be the most resistant to this message. To keep with this thread, we don't need artificial supplements such as Folic acid if we eat our greens which are loaded with Folate. We may ("may") not need to worry about B12 if we were growing our own gardens and harvesting our own produce with B12 producing bacteria on them. Many populations have lived a long life with simple foods without taking any supplements. But if one is worried, take a B12 supplement. One only needs about 5 micrograms per day. Many supplements of B12 are 1000 micrograms. Yes, there are diseases where one lacks the intrinsic factor required to absorb B12, but that is not most of us. As a certain LADY once wrote about using simple remedies, we would need not call a physician any sooner than they would call a lawyer.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Nutritional Yeast
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07/23/13 05:16 PM
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That's interesting about where the money is coming from. I hadn't thought about a change over time. No wonder it seems strictly now money motivated! No wonder yet even additional vaccinations are being forcefully peddled.
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Re: Nutritional Yeast
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08/04/13 06:17 AM
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That's not a very scientific write-up, although the studies may have been conducted well. For example, when they say 50% of people experience "pain," they don't tell you if that "pain" is from the needle during the injection or not. One has no way of qualifying those symptoms nor of distinguishing them from those of the B12 deficiency itself.
In other words, unless you are experiencing something untoward, I wouldn't worry too much. I don't know of any overdose possibility with B12--or any of the B-vitamins.
Blessings,
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We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Nutritional Yeast
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Folate is one of the B-vitamins. The following tells us what may happen to those who obtain sufficient folate but who do not get B-12 in their diet. Taking large amounts of folic acid might hide a vitamin B12 deficiency. Folic acid can correct the anemia but not the nerve damage caused by vitamin B12 deficiency. This can lead to permanent damage of the brain, spinal cord, and nerves. High doses of folic acid might also increase the risk of colorectal cancer and possibly other cancers in some people. Most vegans are unaware of this risk, and the brain damage leads to a self-perpetuating condition as they believe, incorrectly, that their diet is superior to that of others. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Nutritional Yeast
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Again - not the whole truth! Folic acid is what you take when you pop vitamin pills. Folate is what you get when you eat real food. They are NOT the same. So green, what was your article talking about? Eating real food or popping pills?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Nutritional Yeast
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08/26/13 02:19 PM
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Green: The following tells us what may happen to those who obtain sufficient folate but who do not get B-12 in their diet.
NIH: Taking large amounts of folic acid might hide a vitamin B12 deficiency.
I'm not going to place a bet that Green understands now...
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Re: Nutritional Yeast
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08/26/13 02:31 PM
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Here is a link to an article that describes side effects of both types of B12. Now I don't know what to do! My husband takes a B12 shot once a month but he seems to need it more often. He only gets one dose a month from the pharmacy.
https://www.medify.com/treatments/compare/hydroxocobalamin-vs-vitamin-b-12 Looks to me from your link, B12 has < 1% of side effects. Notice the lower section is based upon web discussion forums. Non-controlled and biased. Who's going to report on a discussion forum other than those who have an "issue"? and 29% of who/what reported pain? What's the total? A bigger question to ask yourself is, how did you husband come about needing shots and not supplements, and how do you know he needs more? I mean, I don't know if I need more or less. If there are symptoms, have other causes been ruled out? Have you talked to more than a few practicers? Many guess and say we'll try that and then try this and what can it hurt. Well, it can hurt you! Unless there is something inherently wrong with your husband, my guess is there's something else going on and not to stop asking second opinions.
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Re: Nutritional Yeast
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08/26/13 02:38 PM
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APL,
How much B12 do you get from "folate?"
I don't think you or kland understand this too well. Please tell me how you stop your B12 deficiency by getting "folate" versus "folic acid."
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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