Green, we're talking about you swapping terms. That's misleading.

No, you're misleading to presume that brain damage is not caused by the masking of symptoms of B12 deficiency. No one has proven to me that the statement I provided is false. No one has proven to me that "folate" would mask the symptoms of megaloblastic anemia any less than would "folic acid."

Go for it, if you have such evidence. Let's see it. Until then, I trust that those whose minds have not been damaged by B12 deficiency will be able to grasp these concepts. It's too bad that those who need the truth the most seem most resistant to it.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

I have shown you this in the past. You ignore it. Why? The problem is FOLIC acid is not the same as FOLATE. IF you take FOLIC acid, the enzyme that converts it to Folate in humans provides very little conversion. FOLIC acid supplementation IS associated with many diseases! Reread that last sentence. Eating REAL food provides FOLATE, that active form. IF you take FOLIC acid, you delude yourself that you are getting adequate FOLATE. You need to provide a study that looks at FOLATE, not FOLIC acid to make you conclusion valid.

Bailey SW, Ayling JE. The extremely slow and variable activity of dihydrofolate reductase in human liver and its implications for high folic acid intake. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2009 Sep 8;106(36):15424-9. Epub 2009 Aug 24.

So if no one has proven one thing, even if so discussed by APL, you feel free to swap that term with a different term?

Do you agree that FOLIC acid is not the same as FOLATE? Or are you saying it doesn't matter because you wish to talk about something else?

Yes, I'm saying it doesn't matter, because neither one will provide B12, but both will mask the primary symptoms of B12 deficiency.

Of course, if you think "folate" is "better," then I suppose you should avoid it even more than the "folic acid," for it would do a better job of keeping you unaware of your B12 deficiency.

Eat some eggs. They are healthful.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

APL,

You continue to display your need of B12.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Green, given that APL, myself, and any others specifically have argued for accuracy regarding this, is there some reason you are opposed to using the same terms as used in the research you quoted?


Or is swapping terms not misleading but merely a sign of an ongoing B12 deficiency?

kland,

Do you get B12 from folate? No.
Do you get B12 from folic acid? No.
Do you get B12 from folinic acid? No.

Does your obsession with the terminology change the truth of this? No.

I have quoted from reputable websites. I have not originally provided these terms myself. The websites have done this. In case you have not recognized this heretofore, the FDA and likely most every governmental institution is in league with the pharmaceutical companies. Those companies aren't making their money from non-prescription, over-the-counter, vitamins. They cannot, therefore, be expected to support the vitamin industry. On the contrary, for them to show a clear bias against supplements is to be expected. Folic acid is frequently the form of vitamin B9 found in supplements. It may be as natural a form of vitamin B9 as ascorbic acid is a form of vitamin C.

In the case of folic acid, the liver is able to convert it to folate that is usable by the body. It therefore becomes the same thing. Where it is considered harmful is when it is taken in larger quantities than that of which the liver is capable of converting, allowing folic acid itself, unconverted, to be present in the bloodstream in unnatural quantities. I have not found any clear correlation of such a condition to any specific disease or harm. But such is suspected by some health professionals, and may be a reality.

In any case, folate in the bloodstream (which the folic acid is converted to by the liver) prevents megaloblastic anemia--the first sign of B12 deficiency. This leaves B12-deficient sufferers to "cognitive impairment," or "permanent damage of the brain," without their awareness of what is happening.

THAT is the big danger of veganism, and is one of the dangers of vitamin B9 supplementation in the absence of a source of B12. In other words, using Brewer's yeast/nutritional yeast, a source of B9, may contribute to brain damage.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Green, you are so dead set in running where God has not called you in destroying the health message, that you cannot stay focused on the conversation.


Green, given that APL, myself, and any others specifically have argued for accuracy regarding this, is there some reason you are opposed to using the same terms as used in the research you quoted?

[quote=green]In the case of folic acid, the liver is able to convert it to folate that is usable by the body.[/quote}Clearly you have ignored the science I presented. Very little Folic acid is converted to Folate. THAT is why you cannot compare the two. Green, you seems to have forgotten this little video.

FOLATE and FOLIC ACID are NOT the same... Taking Folic acid IS ASSOCIATED with a number of diseases. Folate, in real food is NOT. A study that looks at FOLIC acid cannot be interpreted to mean FOLATE based on the newer research showing such poor conversion of FOLIC acid to FOLATE. FOLIC acid may indeed mask issues of B12. Stop taking FOLIC acid! Do eat FOLATE from foliage. And if you eat your vegetables from your own garden, guess what happens to your B12 intake!

Secondarily, your continued attack on the vegan diet is not sustained by EGW. The time will come to give up all food of animal origin, including eggs. The Lord will provide in all parts of the world.