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What saves us? #152830
06/04/13 05:56 AM
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Norman - how does Christ death save us?

Last edited by Rosangela; 06/08/13 04:30 PM. Reason: New topic title

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Re: What saves us? [Re: APL] #152869
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His Death doesn't save us.

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Re: What saves us? [Re: Norman] #152873
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Originally Posted By: Norman
His Death doesn't save us.
Interesting. Say more! By the way, I agree with you. It was necessary, but the death alone is insufficient. Something more has to happen.

Last edited by Rosangela; 06/08/13 04:33 PM.

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Re: What saves us? [Re: APL] #152897
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Quote:
It was necessary

Why was it necessary?

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Re: What saves us? [Re: Rosangela] #152898
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela
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It was necessary

Why was it necessary?
For many reasons. But consider this: Romans 5:10 We were God's enemies, but he made us his friends through the death of his Son. Now that we are God's friends, how much more will we be saved by Christ's life!

How does Jesus's death make us his friends? One big reason is that we perceive what the real cause of all death and destruction is. It is not God, but sin.

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Re: What saves us? [Re: APL] #152899
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What are the other "many" reasons?

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Re: What saves us? [Re: Rosangela] #152901
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela
What are the other "many" reasons?
What? No comment on the first reason posted?

Last edited by Rosangela; 06/08/13 04:36 PM.

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Re: What saves us? [Re: APL] #152903
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Originally Posted By: APL
Originally Posted By: Rosangela
What are the other "many" reasons?
What? No comment on the first reason posted?
I really did not expect much of a reply.

Hm - so what else, Christ death - what did it accomplish
- it draws all to Him
- the world would be lighted up
- Satan's hold on men was broken
- the defaced image of God in man can now be restored
- the believing saints will inherit a heavenly home
- He became the propitiation of the sins of man - [God did not need to be propitiated]
- the love of God was manifested to the universe.
- the prince of this world is cast out
- the accusations of Satan are refute
- destroy the works of the devil
- angels are drawn to the redeemer - He is drawing ALL

Note - one major thing is missing from the list...

Last edited by Rosangela; 06/08/13 04:37 PM.

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Re: What saves us? [Re: APL] #152904
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APL,

What I really want to know is, Do you believe Christ's death was vicarious?

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Re: What saves us? [Re: Rosangela] #152907
06/06/13 12:21 AM
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Give me your definition of vicarious.

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