in two words - HOG WASH.

BTW Rosangela - you have not answered my questions also. Why not?

APL,

If you think I haven't answered your questions, just repeat the questions you want to be answered. As to me, I have just one question, which should be answered clearly and objectively: How are we saved?

We are saved by Jesus Christ.

You say I say it is by works. I have clearly stated on these forums that our works can never save us. But that does not mean we do not have work to do. Salvation is a struggle against self. Moses made a brass serpent in the wilderness. Only those that looked at the serpent, lived. God sent His son for our salvation, but salvation only comes to those that have faith in Jesus John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Who ever asks, received, who ever seeks, finds. Who ever knocks, it will be opened to him, Luke 11. Revelation 3 says Christ is knocking at the door, we however have to open the door. 1 John 1:9, if we confess our sins, He will cleanse us of all unrighteousness. Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate. Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that you have put off the old man with his deeds; Hebrews 12:1 let us run with patience the race that is set before us, James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved. This does not endorse the idea of salvation by works, but we do need to in effort.

Christ made an atonement for the whole world. The application of the atonement to the sinner is conditional. Who ever complies, will be receive salvation. Those who do not, will not and will die eternally. The atonement brings us back to a state which is as if we had never sinned. Not legally, but in actuality. That is salvation. That is redemption.

APL, does imputed righteousness play a role in our salvation?

asygo - I would repeat the quote I presented above to answer your question
What do you think?

Let's stop this confusion. The word “saved” is applied to Christians in three different tenses in the Bible - we were saved, we are being saved, and we will be saved: justification, sanctification and glorification.
We are speaking of justification here. Everybody here believes that we must obey the law as a fruit of salvation, everybody here believes in the work of Christ in the heavenly sanctuary, and all the rest you are defending, APL. But what we are discussing here is justification, that is, what gives us our title to heaven. Perfect obedience is the title to heaven. But whose perfect obedience? What you are defending is that the perfect obedience is ours.
Now I ask:
If our efforts to obey are imperfect, how can our obedience be perfect?
If we have already sinned, how can our obedience be perfect? Or do you think that the law can be fooled?
If someone accepts Christ in his last minutes of life, how can he be saved by his perfect obedience?
Is your obedience perfect?

Funny, we were just discussing this at church. The thief on the cross is what I brought up, and asked, 'where is his obedience', how can a person be told first you must obey then we will allow how faith can save you. The answers I was getting did not satisfy at all. We had to back off as there were guests present, but we will continue when we come together again.

Yes, it is at justification that you accept Christ. How can you render perfect obedience before accepting Christ?

Rosangela: If our efforts to obey are imperfect, how can our obedience be perfect?

We can't save ourselves.

Rosangela: If we have already sinned, how can our obedience be perfect?

Of ourselves, we can do nothing. The goal of the plan of redemption is to bring people back into harmony with the law. Salvation = healing. As for past sins, they are not the issue. The question to be asked, is a person safe to save? Have they been transformed? Have they been healed?

Rosangela: Or do you think that the law can be fooled?

The law demands perfect obedience. Do you agree? (that is a question) Declaring a sinner to be pardoned without a transformation only fools ourselves. Please re-read the quote from the Bible Echo above. A restored person WILL keep the law. See 1 John 3:9; 1 John 5:18.

Rosangela: If someone accepts Christ in his last minutes of life, how can he be saved by his perfect obedience?

Many have died not completely changed. Do you agree? Fortunately, the story of Job tells us that God can call a character. There is the investigative judgment where God will show who is and who is not safe to save. Who will and who will not respond to God's healing. There is the millennium, with restoration to the Tree of Life, whose leaves are for the healing of the nations.

Rosangela: Is your obedience perfect?

I'm sure glad that no human is my judge!