I'm sorry you have such a low estimation of Christ. I have no idea why you made the statement above Please clue me in. I do know that it is written:
Romans 5:15-21
15 But not as the offense, so also is the free gift. For if through the offense of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, has abounded to many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offenses to justification.
17 For if by one man's offense death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came on all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came on all men to justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin has reigned to death, even so might grace reign through righteousness to eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Tell me how a judicial act keeps me from sinning? I'd like to know. How does a judicial act save me? How does a judicial act make me born again?

You are right - just one transgression of the law leads to death. Not execution, but death just the same. Of course, you believe it is execution, right? Please correct me if I'm wrong on the point. Sin did not kill Christ, the Father did. Please, correct me if I am interpreting you wrong.

Sin pays its wage, death. This is why sin is so offensive to God. Sin is not a breaking of the enacted rules, which makes God made, and so mad that will kill you if you break just one.

No, sin is breaking the law of how we were created. God's work is perfect, it cannot be changed. It cannot be changed to save man! The only way to salvation is by perfect compliance. This man has not to give! But Christ took on our sin, and purged it. This He offers to us, but will not force it on us. Only by being healed, reborn into compliance with the law, are we able to be saved. We are saved by God, not save from God. We are not saved in our sins, but from our sins. Satan is the destroyer, God is the restorer. The essence of the Gospel is restoration.

Recognize any of these sentences? HINT: many of them are quotes, not my words.

Question - did God know who Cyrus was? How did He know? Did God know about the 70 week prophesy? 2300 days? How was this knowledge gained? How was this knowledge known before hand? Is knowledge gained in the future out of reach to God? I guess you think so asygo....

APL.

You may have missed my post #153153 above.

Execution is spoken of here. It says clearly, in fact, "execution of the death sentence."

Transgression is NOT "bad DNA." Transgression IS disobedience. DNA doesn't disobey any more than a computer disobeys. It can do only that which it is designed to do. It has no choice. If the DNA were involved in the act of "self-destruction" of the sinner, does it have a time-bomb pre-programmed into it that is clever enough to self-destruct in concert with every other sinner at that final moment?

(Any explanation to avoid the unavoidable "execution," I suppose.)

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Question for you Rosangela, answer this, and I will answer you:
Is the penalty of sin intrinsic or imposed? Is the penalty for sin caused by sin, or is it execution by God?

Question for you, APL: If the penalty of sin is totally intrinsic, why did God block the way to the tree of life lest man shouldn't eat of it and live forever?

Clearly Green sees the that the punishment that comes from transgression is extrinsic, sin in and of itself does not destroy. And in the process I believe, ignores the Bible and EGW.






EGW: God is not the executioner.

Green - is God going to execute sinners? Yes or no?
Will sinners sin? YES. How is God involved?

OK - I take your answer to be that the penalty of sin is extrinsic, it needs to be imposed.

I would recommend reading again the first chapter of Patriarchs and Prophets very closely, titled "Why Was Sin Permitted".

A compassionate Creator, in yearning pity for Lucifer and his followers, was seeking to draw them back from the abyss of ruin into which they were about to plunge.

What ruin? That God was now going to have to come in a cause him harm, and kill him?

God permitted Satan to carry forward his work until the spirit of disaffection ripened into active revolt. It was necessary for his plans to be fully developed, that their true nature and tendency might be seen by all.

What nature? That God was going to have to impose destruction on Satan?

Even when he was cast out of heaven, Infinite Wisdom did not destroy Satan. Since only the service of love can be acceptable to God, the allegiance of His creatures must rest upon a conviction of His justice and benevolence. The inhabitants of heaven and of the worlds, being unprepared to comprehend the nature or consequences of sin, could not then have seen the justice of God in the destruction of Satan.

What nature and consequences? Remember other EGW Quotes that the God is not the executioner. The destruction and consequences of sin are intrinsic to sin, not God.

Had he been immediately blotted out of existence, some would have served God from fear rather than from love. The influence of the deceiver would not have been fully destroyed, nor would the spirit of rebellion have been utterly eradicated. For the good of the entire universe through ceaseless ages, he must more fully develop his principles, that his charges against the divine government might be seen in their true light by all created beings, and that the justice and mercy of God and the immutability of His law might be forever placed beyond all question. {PP 42.3}

We still do not need to fear (be afraid) of God. God is not the exectioner. Sin has consquences, and it is ruin and death. You cannot transgress the law of God and live. Period. Not because God will arbitrarily kill you if you do, but that transgression brings its own consequences.

Satan's rebellion was to be a lesson to the universe through all coming ages--a perpetual testimony to the nature of sin and its terrible results. The working out of Satan's rule, its effects upon both men and angels, would show what must be the fruit of setting aside the divine authority. It would testify that with the existence of God's government is bound up the well-being of all the creatures He has made. Thus the history of this terrible experiment of rebellion was to be a perpetual safeguard to all holy beings, to prevent them from being deceived as to the nature of transgression, to save them from committing sin, and suffering its penalty. {PP 42.4}

Committing sin and suffering its penalty - EXECUTION BY GOD? NO! The wage of sin is death, sin pays it wage. Sin which it is full grown brings death, Romans 6:23: James 1:15.

Now the tree of life. The tree of life is necessary to sustain life. Separated from it, life becomes extinct. I believe this will be true in the earth made new also. If you do not like living with God, you will have a choice whether to live or not, just stop eating from the tree of life. There will be no one who will not eat of the tree, but it is still an option. Sin was is in addition to this in the garden of Eden at the beginning. Sin wrecked havoc on the design of God. It brought in sickness, disease, and death. The Tree of Life could have countered the death aspect of this, but it would not as I read other places of EGW have cured all the misery. It would only have sustained life. But that life was a life of misery. It was mercifull to withdraw the tree of life.

Between the school established in Eden at the beginning and the school of the hereafter there lies the whole compass of this world's history--the history of human transgression and suffering, of divine sacrifice, and of victory over death and sin. Not all the conditions of that first school of Eden will be found in the school of the future life. No tree of knowledge of good and evil will afford opportunity for temptation. No tempter is there, no possibility of wrong. Every character has withstood the testing of evil, and none are longer susceptible to its power. {Ed 301.6}

"To him that overcometh," Christ says, "will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God." Revelation 2:7. The giving of the tree of life in Eden was conditional, and it was finally withdrawn. But the gifts of the future life are absolute and eternal. {Ed 302.1}

The victory that Christ gained over death, that was the execution that God brings according to your view, right? Of was it something else? The death the sin brings? Death will be destroyed.

1 Corinthians 15:26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.

IF God is the cause of death, will God be destroyed? NO. Sin is the cause of disease, sickness, and death.

No, notice I said "totally intrinsic." To me, the death of the wicked is a combination of two factors: one intrinsic and one extrinsic; it's the result of the glory of God (extrinsic) acting upon sin (intrinsic). So it's not just intrinsic, neither is it just imposed.

In all who submit to His power the Spirit of God will consume sin. But if men cling to sin, they become identified with it. Then the glory of God, which destroys sin, must destroy them. ... The light of the glory of God, which imparts life to the righteous, will slay the wicked. {DA 107.4}

If you cross the street in front of a car, and are run over and die, is your death a natural consequence or the punishment for the transgression of a law? Isn’t it both? (But if someone throws himself over in front of you, he will suffer the impact of the car and die in your place, so you can scape the consequences of your act.
God is merciful and just. If God just forgave sin remitting its consequences, He would be merciful but not just. So, He suffered the consequences of sin on Himself, so that we could be forgiven. This is justification.)