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Re: Chick Publications, what do they teach.
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07/18/13 05:43 PM
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If Chick publications knows the secrets of the Catholic church, how is it they have been blinded to the work of Ribera and have accepted futurism?
If we believe Alberto Rivera published by Chick, then the Jesuits have infiltrated the SDA church at the highest levels. This should give us pause when we proclaim the favored opinions of the upper echelons. It should give us pause to think that we are consolidating our publishing houses effectively shutting out opinions at variance with the leadership. Good too know, looks like they have a sprinkling of truth mixed with error.
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Re: Chick Publications, what do they teach.
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07/20/13 04:19 AM
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If Chick publications knows the secrets of the Catholic church, how is it they have been blinded to the work of Ribera and have accepted futurism?
If we believe Alberto Rivera published by Chick, then the Jesuits have infiltrated the SDA church at the highest levels. This should give us pause when we proclaim the favored opinions of the upper echelons. It should give us pause to think that we are consolidating our publishing houses effectively shutting out opinions at variance with the leadership. Sometimes it's good to read other people's writings, even if they don't have every truth that we believe. Some have a lot of information that is not so readily found in our book stores. Adventist leadership does not accept Alberto Rivera's revelations of the aims and agenda of the Vatican. Yet, to me it seems contradictory since we believe we have the exposing truth of the deceptions of the last days in which the Vatican powers will play a huge part, and yet some want us to think there is no infiltration and attempts to destroy that message by the Jesuit's secret army. As to the chick publishers being "futuristic" -- I'm not sure you are correct in classifying them as such. They are thoroughly "Historicists" in their interpretations -- Heralding back to Protestant Reformation understanding. Yes, their belief in the second coming, the state of the dead, the Sabbath, and the millennium is different from ours. (But how about the reformers -- who were historicist -- did they agree with our views on those points?) The idea that Christ will set up a 1000 year kingdom in Jerusalem was accepted by Protestants way back in the 1600's. I have a book by Thomas Tillam written in 1657 called the "Seventh-day Sabbath Sought Out and Celebrated" -- an early defender of Saturday Sabbath, YET he was very much into kingdom theology believing Christ would soon literally reign over the nations here on earth. A historicist believes prophecy covers time from the prophets day to the end. A futurist believes prophecy is in the future. The Chick Publishers interpret prophecy from a historicist viewpoint, though some of their unfulfilled prophecies are a little similar to what futurists believe, Also they believe Alberto Rivera a whole lot more than the majority of Adventists do. I don't think there has been a combining of "publishing". There may be some of their books and pamphlets being shared by Adventists, possibly some independent ministry Adventists are sharing those books. But mainline Adventism isn't much interested in Chick publishing -- looking at them as "conspiracy" promoters.
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Re: Chick Publications, what do they teach.
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07/20/13 01:15 PM
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I don't think there has been a combining of "publishing". I was speaking of the combining of Pacific Press and the Review and Herald. I don't not see that as a good thing. Also they believe Alberto Rivera a whole lot more than the majority of Adventists do. And if Rivera is right, what do you think the leadership would say about Rivera? As individual Adventists, we need to know the truth for ourselves, and not rely on the leadership to tell us what it is.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Chick Publications, what do they teach.
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07/20/13 11:12 PM
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Also they believe Alberto Rivera a whole lot more than the majority of Adventists do. And if Rivera is right, what do you think the leadership would say about Rivera? As individual Adventists, we need to know the truth for ourselves, and not rely on the leadership to tell us what it is. What does the leadership say about Alberto Rivera and Jesuit infiltration? I'd say it's almost a taboo to even discuss such a thing and be considered a rational "mainline" Adventist. There's plenty of stuff out there claiming that Rivera never was a member of any Catholic order. So that clinches it for many. Leadership will usually say -- "no one has ever conclusively proven that someone in the church's leadership position is actually a Jesuit." And this is proof that no such thing is happening. Or, "we're to small and insignificant for the Vatican powers to worry about." However, I can't help but think of John chapter three. There we are told that we can know the Holy Spirit is at work by what is happening. In like manner the opposite is true -- The assault on our doctrines, standards and prophetic interpretations, to make them more compatible to the general watered down value systems in our weak Christian culture tell us something. Do we hear much about popery, and the motives of ecumenical union, and how it relates to the end times from mainline Adventist preachers? Or is this now more or less just from the "fringe" independents, still tolerated somewhat, but generally discouraged. Why are so many of our colleges and universities teaching evolution (albeit it is a theistic evolution, which in my opinion is worse than atheist evolution). These supposedly Adventist professors are determined that it is their intellectual right to undermine the faith of our children in a literal creation of six days! The cover-ups and double speaking reassurance letters, while behind it all the evolution is still being taught... How is it that the South Pacific Islands are worshipping on Sunday? And being told the church has spoken thus it is the true Sabbath! What does EGW say about the subject Rivera has exposed? Throughout Christendom, Protestantism was menaced by formidable foes. The first triumphs of the Reformation past, Rome summoned new forces, hoping to accomplish its destruction. At this time, the order of the Jesuits was created, the most cruel, unscrupulous, and powerful of all the champions of popery. Cut off from every earthly tie and human interest, dead to the claims of natural affection, reason and conscience wholly silenced, they knew no rule, no tie, but that of their order, and no duty but to extend its power. The gospel of Christ had enabled its adherents to meet danger and endure suffering, undismayed by cold, hunger, toil, and poverty, to uphold the banner of truth in face of the rack, the dungeon, and the stake. To combat these forces, Jesuitism inspired its followers with a fanaticism that enabled them to endure like dangers, and to oppose to the power of truth all the weapons of deception. There was no crime too great for them to commit, no deception too base for them to practice, no disguise too difficult for them to assume. Vowed to perpetual poverty and humility, it was their studied aim to secure wealth and power, to be devoted to the overthrow of Protestantism, and the re-establishment of the papal supremacy. {GC88 234.2}
When appearing as members of their order, they wore a garb of sanctity, visiting prisons and hospitals, ministering 235 to the sick and the poor, professing to have renounced the world, and bearing the sacred name of Jesus, who went about doing good. But under this blameless exterior the most criminal and deadly purposes were concealed. It was a fundamental principle of the order that the end justifies the means. By this code, lying, theft, perjury, assassination, were not only pardonable but commendable, when they served the interests of the church. Under various disguises the Jesuits worked their way into offices of State, climbing up to be the counselors of kings, and shaping the policy of nations. They became servants, to act as spies upon their masters. They established colleges for the sons of princes and nobles, and schools for the common people; and the children of Protestant parents were drawn into an observance of popish rites. All the outward pomp and display of the Romish worship was brought to bear to confuse the mind, and dazzle and captivate the imagination; and thus the liberty for which the fathers had toiled and bled was betrayed by the sons. The Jesuits rapidly spread themselves over Europe, and wherever they went, there followed a revival of popery. {GC88 234.3}
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Re: Chick Publications, what do they teach.
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07/21/13 03:19 AM
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Yes dedication - I can tell you stories about leading Religion professors, people all here would know. I would not trust them. Yet outwardly, they are loved by the people, who love their sermons and their books. This is why, each person needs to know God, for themselves.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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