You have been deceived.

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Godslove, what about the five months duration of the trumpet. How do you interpret that and the hour day month and year of the sixth trumpet. Also how do you interpret the horses of the sixth trumpet. You're viewing them as the forces of good as well?

The angel of the bottomless pit is NOT CHRIST. The star fallen from heaven that makes the water bitter is NOT CHRIST. Be careful.

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I'm sorry, but I don't see you addressed this.

wow.

I guess it would be an understatement to say you have no problem with saying God kills people.

Brother Mark, yes good points we need to address, will send more on the other verses in chapter 9.

kland--"I guess it would be an understatement to say you have no problem with saying God kills people."

It's not a question of "me" having a problem with God killing people, it's a question of whether we can honestly say that the word "destroyer" is applicable or not. Look at the old testament history. Yes, God stretched out His hands all day long to save, yet what did He have to do continually in this period? Yes, sadly--destroy.

Just the one gigantic act in itself in Noah's time leaves no doubt about it (the whole world destroyed but EIGHT people!)

The vast amount of Jews killed in Moses time(For example Korah and the multitude), directly by God's hand, and ONLY 2 escaped (over 20 years) into the promised land.

The complete destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, except ONE family.

Let's not forget also, the large amount of slaying at the Lord's instruction of the cities and villages (Such as in Joshua's time).

"But to Israel he said, All day long I have stretched forth my hands to a disobedient and gainsaying people." (Romans 10:21)

I've heard, as I'm sure many others have that people often say , "The God of the Old Testament, can't be the God of the New Testament because of all the destroying He did to people." But yet, who is the One who has perfect justice? Who is the One who knows the ending from the beginning? Instead of doubting God's ways let's get on board and believe that ALL He does is right and just. The title --Destroyer does fit as Scripture says, yes, do I have a problem with what God does?-- No. Do I enjoy or like the fact that He has to destroy?--No.

"Do you think that I like to see wicked people die? says the Sovereign LORD. Of course not! I want them to turn from their wicked ways and live." (Ezek. 18:23)


"As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."(Isaiah 55:9)

Don't you see that the action of the angel in Rev. 8 reflects the action of the seraphim in Is. 6? They are both "cleansing the servants of God (the sanctuary)" by "fire"; and sending them out to declare the word of God.

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I'm sorry Godsloveandlaw but I had to reread this several times to make sure I wasn't misreading this but are you trying to say that Abaddon and Apolyon are Jesus? Are you being genuine or is this a joke?

I need to clarify this.

If that is the case and you are trying to say Jesus is the character Abaddon in Revelation, I truly think you are mistaken.

“The Third Angel’s Message. Its Basis in the Seven Trumpets” Advent Review and Sabbath Herald 77, 36, p. 568.

THE first four of the Seven Trumpets, as we have seen, mark the ruin of the Western Empire of Rome, and the planting, in its place, of the peoples that formed the nations of Western Europe to-day.

The fifth and sixth trumpets, likewise, mark the ruin of the Eastern Empire of Rome, and introduce the peoples by whom that ruin was accomplished, who are the modern nations of Eastern Europe and of Asia.

“And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them. And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions. And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle. And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months. And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon [“that is to say, a destroyer,” margin].” Revelation 9:1-11.

This trumpet covers a period of eight hundred and seventeen years,—A.D. 632-1449,—and shows the rise and work of the Mohammedans in the destruction of Eastern Rome—first the Arabian Mohammedans and later the Turkish Mohammedans. Of this Albert Barnes remarks that, “with surprising unanimity, commentators have agreed in regarding this as referring to the empire of the Saracens, or to the rise and progress of the religion and the empire set up by Mohammed.” We can not see how any one who will ready the prophecy, and Gibbon’s history of Mohammed and his successors in the light of it, can disagree with the application of the prophecy to the Mohammedans.

The term “bottomless pit,” which denotes the place of their rise, is from the Greek word abussos, and signifies a waste, desolate region. And to any one who will read Gibbon’s chapter L, paragraphs 2-5, the significance and aptness of the term as applied to Arabia will readily be discerned.

The vast hordes of the Mohammedans are shown under the symbol of a cloud of locusts; and in verses 7-9 the meaning of the symbol is made plain by the words, “The shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; ... and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.”

As to that which was “commanded them,” the history witnesses thus: “Remember that you are always in the presence of God, on the verge of death, in the assurance of judgment, and the hope of paradise. Avoid injustice and oppression, consult with your brethren, and study to preserve the love and confidence of your troops. When you fight the battle of the Lord, acquit yourselves like men, without turning your backs; but let not your victory be stained with the blood of women and children. Destroy no palm trees nor burn any fields of corn. Cut down no fruit trees, nor do any mischief to cattle, only such as you kill to eat. When you make any covenant or article, stand to it, and be as good as your word. As you go on, you will find some religious persons who live retired in monasteries, and propose to themselves to serve God that way; let them alone, and neither kill them nor burn their monasteries. And you will find another sort of people, that belong to the synagogue of Satan, who have shaven crowns; be sure you cleave their skulls, and give them no quarter till they either turn Mohammedan or pay tribute.”—“Decline and Fall,” LI, par. 10.

And, says the Scripture, “Their power was to hurt man five months.” Five months are one hundred and fifty days; this, being prophetic time,—a day for a year,—equals one hundred and fifty years, during which they were to hurt men.

This one hundred and fifty years is to be counted from the time that they had a king over them, as says verses 11: “They had a king over them.... whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon [“a destroyer,” margin].” For more than six hundred years the Mohammedans had no regularly organized government, and recognized no such dignitary as that which answers to the title of king. Each tribe, under its own chief, was independent of all the others, and came and went as it pleased. While this was the case, it is evident, and it is the fact too, that their character as “a destroyer,” was not, and could not be, such as it was after they were solidly united in one government, under the sway of a ruler recognized by all.
This is made more apparent when it is seen what was to be destroyed by this “destroyer.” The first four trumpets show the ruin of the Western Empire of Rome; and the fifth relates to the destruction of the Eastern Empire. And it is in the character of the destroyer of the last remains of the Roman Empire that this power acts. It was not as a destroyer of men as such, for of them it is said “that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months,” “and their power was to hurt men five months.” It is evident, then, that this character and work as “a destroyer,” relates to the final destruction of the Roman Empire, which was then represented in the Eastern Empire, with the capital at New Rome—Constantinople.

Othman was the caliph who established the organized government of the Mohammedans, and from him descended the name and title of the Ottoman Empire. It was under the organized power of Othman that the work of the destroyer began.

The work of destruction, then, which was to subvert the last remains of the Roman Empire, began July 27, 1299, and never ceased till the imperial power passed into the hands of Amurath, July 27, 1449. {ARSH September 4, 1900, p. 568.19}

And “one woe is passed; and, behold there come two woes more hereafter.” {ARSH September 4, 1900, p. 568.20}

Do you see the fulfillment of this prophecy historically? The prophecy was a time prophecy that was fulfilled and you want to change the meaning into confusion?

Look at this quote again very carefully because, Jesus= Apolion? man...

I can't go into it now, but examining the locusts to see whether they are the forces of good is worth the time. I'm undecided. Regarding the time elements, Godslove, if you give the trumpets a future day for day application it could work. If you put them in the past only the day for year can apply in my opinion and I don't think this will work for the locusts as the forces of good.