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Re: Biblical Predictions of Antichrist & Sunday Laws [Re: dedication] #166133
06/23/14 10:56 AM
06/23/14 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted By: dedication
You seem to be coming from a preterist way of thinking.

Both preterism and futurism were developed by Catholic scholars who were desperate to get the clear finger of prophecy which was pointing to the papacy as the antichrist to point at something else.

At first their theories didn't take hold, but when a few Protestants started popularizing these theories they started to push aside the historicist understanding until now Protestantism has for the most part completely forgotten their heritage and are the big promoters of both preterism and futurism!!

The reformation that finally broke the tyrannical hold of the papacy over the souls of men and women, was totally united on that point -- the papacy is the Biblical predicted antichrist.

That tyrannical system received a deadly wound and lost it's political hold over the people -- lost the power to use the sword to force people into their religion,
For the last 200 or so years people, at least in the western world, have enjoyed unprecedented religious freedom.

But the same antichrist is again rising to ever increasing political influence and power over kings and rulers and peoples. Prophecy predicted its wound would heal. The evidence is everywhere apparent! There is just too much evidence -- historically and present day -- the reformers were correct, they knew who the antichrist was.




I doubt that you read Acts 12, the entire chapter. Did I not say that the Antichrist comes in the vein of Pharoah Rameses? Again I urge you to stick with the BIBLICAL DEFINITION of who the Antichrist is, as given by John; and not be seduced by false prophecy.

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Re: Biblical predictions of Antichrist & Sunday Laws [Re: Mountain Man] #166134
06/23/14 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
James, did you overlook this post?

Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Originally Posted By: James Peterson
Who do you believe is THE Antichrist?

I believe the "little horn," the "man of sin," the "antichrist," and the "beast" symbolize the same church-state coalition that will enforce the "mark of the beast" during the "time of trouble". The entire world will be divided into two groups: 1) the minority who live in harmony with the seal of God, and 2) the majority who live harmony with the mark of the beast.

  • 1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.
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  • 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
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  • 1 John 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
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  • 2 John 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

THEREFORE, BIBLICALLY, ONLY NON-CHRISTIANS ARE ANTICHRIST.

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Re: Biblical predictions of Antichrist & Sunday Laws [Re: James Peterson] #166137
06/23/14 02:34 PM
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James, thank you for replying to my post. I agree antichrist is not a Christian - even if they profess to be one. What about the "little horn," the "man of sin," and the "beast"?

Re: Biblical predictions of Antichrist & Sunday Laws [Re: Mountain Man] #166147
06/23/14 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
James, thank you for replying to my post. I agree antichrist is not a Christian - even if they profess to be one. What about the "little horn," the "man of sin," and the "beast"?

1. NON-Christians do not profess to be Christians.

2. THE Antichrist is non-Christian, and is "the man of sin" = "the beast".

3. For those two reasons and Jesus' own words in Luke 17:26-30, there is no "National Sunday Law" to come.

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Re: Biblical predictions of Antichrist & Sunday Laws [Re: James Peterson] #166148
06/23/14 07:56 PM
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Many professed Christians - are not Christians. There for antichrist can be a "Christian".


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Biblical predictions of Antichrist & Sunday Laws [Re: APL] #166150
06/23/14 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted By: APL
Many professed Christians - are not Christians. There for antichrist can be a "Christian".

Thank you for your opinion; but it is not biblically sound according to the epistles of John. See post #166134 just above.

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Re: Biblical predictions of Antichrist & Sunday Laws [Re: James Peterson] #166151
06/23/14 10:22 PM
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2 Corinthians 11:3-14
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that comes preaches another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if you receive another spirit, which you have not received, or another gospel, which you have not accepted, you might well bear with him.
5 For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very most chief apostles.
6 But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been thoroughly made manifest among you in all things.
7 Have I committed an offense in abasing myself that you might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely?
8 I robbed other churches, taking wages of them, to do you service.
9 And when I was present with you, and wanted, I was chargeable to no man: for that which was lacking to me the brothers which came from Macedonia supplied: and in all things I have kept myself from being burdensome to you, and so will I keep myself.
10 As the truth of Christ is in me, no man shall stop me of this boasting in the regions of Achaia.
11 Why? because I love you not? God knows.
12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Biblical Predictions of Antichrist & Sunday Laws [Re: Mountain Man] #166153
06/24/14 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man

Thank you for answering my question. I hear you saying Jesus will return within President Obama's term which includes the first year of the next president.


MM

You are welcome. I don't know the day or hour or if Obama will leave office as scheduled or extend his term due to a national crisis.

I do know that it is time to be serious about our relationship with Jesus and to be sure of our calling and to make every effort to get the three angels' message to the world.

The last events will be rapid ones. Like dominoes in rapid succession. I am amazed at how difficult it is to awaken the sleeping saints.

God bless His people everywhere,


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: Biblical predictions of Antichrist & Sunday Laws [Re: James Peterson] #166154
06/24/14 01:48 AM
06/24/14 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted By: James Peterson
Originally Posted By: APL
Many professed Christians - are not Christians. There for antichrist can be a "Christian".

Thank you for your opinion; but it is not biblically sound according to the epistles of John. See post #166134 just above.

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If Matthew 7:15 is rightly understood "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves" light might come to those who will see.


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: Biblical predictions of Antichrist & Sunday Laws [Re: APL] #166156
06/24/14 09:57 AM
06/24/14 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted By: APL
2 Corinthians 11:3-14
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that comes preaches another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if you receive another spirit, which you have not received, or another gospel, which you have not accepted, you might well bear with him.
5 For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very most chief apostles.
6 But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been thoroughly made manifest among you in all things.
7 Have I committed an offense in abasing myself that you might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely?
8 I robbed other churches, taking wages of them, to do you service.
9 And when I was present with you, and wanted, I was chargeable to no man: for that which was lacking to me the brothers which came from Macedonia supplied: and in all things I have kept myself from being burdensome to you, and so will I keep myself.
10 As the truth of Christ is in me, no man shall stop me of this boasting in the regions of Achaia.
11 Why? because I love you not? God knows.
12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Paul is evidently not taling about the Antichrist. He is speaking about those who go about seeking money by offering to do Bible seminars and peddling books and CD and DVD and other paraphernalia.

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