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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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Great questions kland! What knowledge has become nearly extinct on the earth? Perhaps Green can include that in his summary.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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M: Did God send the Flood and Fire? Ellen White wrote: The plea may be made that a loving Father would not see His children suffering the punishment of God by fire while He had the power to relieve them. But God would, for the good of His subjects and for their safety, punish the transgressor. God does not work on the plan of man. He can do infinite justice that man has no right to do before his fellow man. Noah would have displeased God to have drowned one of the scoffers and mockers that harassed him, but God drowned the vast world. Lot would have had no right to inflict punishment on his sons-in-law, but God would do it in strict justice. {12MR 208.3} A: God uses the same mechanism as with the FIERY serpents. Not sure how snakes and water and fire operate the same way. How did Jesus employ water and fire to punish sinners?
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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I believe what the Book of Job says. But in the spirit of Green, define innocent. Job was innocent. Were his children innocent?
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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Now you have a problem. EGW does not agree with you. Jesus permitted the snakes to bite specific Jews and not the others.
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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I believe what the Book of Job says. But in the spirit of Green, define innocent. Job was innocent. Were his children innocent? NOW you're thinking like Green. Was Job a sinner or not? Where his children? Did his children deserve death more that anyone else?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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Now you have a problem. EGW does not agree with you. Jesus permitted the snakes to bite specific Jews and not the others. "not the others". What others? Did God sent the fiery serpents? Nope.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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For MM: HEREand HEREThat is, if you have time. The links access the same page. No problem. Perhaps you don't know this about me - I believe Jesus employs the withdraw and permit principle of punishment. He uses His enemies to punish impenitent sinners. He uses evil men and evil angels. He also uses holy men and holy angels. How do you feel about Jesus withdrawing and permitting men and angels to afflict and kill impenitent sinners? Would you prefer it if He allowed sin to run its natural course instead? For example, let their sinful lifestyle choices end their lives naturally (i.e. accident, cancer, heart disease, etc) instead of commanding men and/or angels to kill them prematurely. How do you feel about Jesus permitting innocent men, women, and children to be afflicted and killed? For example, drunk drivers who kill people for reasons unrelated to any sins they may be guilty of (i.e. telling a white lie does not naturally result in dying at the hands of a drunk driver [as opposed to excessive drinking naturally results in cirrhosis of the liver]).
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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NOW you're thinking like Green. Was Job a sinner or not? Where his children? Did his children deserve death more that anyone else? Thank you for the compliment. However, I'm not thinking like any of the great thinkers here. I am merely seeking to learn what you believe - a task proving to be elusive. Please explain to me how the story of Job supports your view of the lake of fire and how sinners will destroy themselves in it. Thank you. Please don't try to use the Socratic method of leading me to your conclusions. I would much prefer it if you would simply summarize your thoughts in a succinct manner. I have no idea what you believe about the lake of fire. I have no idea how you envision sinners destroying themselves in it.
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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M: Jesus permitted the snakes to bite specific Jews and not the others.
A: "not the others". What others? Did God sent the fiery serpents? Nope. The snakes were in the area. Jesus commanded them to bite specific Jews and not to bite other specific Jews. He sent them on a errand. They obeyed.
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Re: Does God Punish? (Part 3)
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M: Jesus permitted the snakes to bite specific Jews and not the others.
A: "not the others". What others? Did God sent the fiery serpents? Nope. The snakes were in the area. Jesus commanded them to bite specific Jews and not to bite other specific Jews. He sent them on a errand. They obeyed. Of course you can back that up with scripture and EGW... Nope... Sheesh.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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