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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #168599
10/03/14 04:41 AM
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When Jesus throws down the censor probation is closed, and there is thunder and lightening and an earthquake.

Revelation 8:2-5 Covers the HEAVENLY SCENE

It begins with Christ in the Holy Place before the altar of incense offering up the prayers of the saints with His merits before God. (33 A.D. -- 1844 A.D.)

He then fills the censor with coals (something the High Priest did before entering the Most Holy Place as He takes the censor with Him) signifying that He is entering the second phase of His ministry. (1844-- )

Lastly He throws down the censor -- signifying that His work in the Most Holy Place is done
and there is thunder and lightening and an earthquake.



Revelation 8:6-11:19 then COVERS THE SAME TIME PERIOD showing the EARTHLY SCENE.

The trumpets cover time over the whole Christian era.
The first six take place during the same time as Rev. 8:2-4.

The seventh trumpet occurs at the same time as Rev. 8:5.

The seventh trumpet shows the door to the Most Holy Place opened and the ark of the covenant is seen -- the seventh trumpet begins in 1844 when Christ entered the Most Holy, and takes us to the end.

It is at the seventh trumpet that we again come to the end when there is
Thunder, lightnings and earthquake.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #168608
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The question is ( Seven Trumpets reconsidered )

Do the seven trumpets repeat on the eve of Christ's Advent?

If they do is there a spiritual or a literal fulfillment?


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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: dedication] #168609
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"The trumpets cover time over the whole Christian era.
The first six take place during the same time as Rev. 8:2-4

The seventh trumpet occurs at the same time as Rev. 8:5."

I think not as the above qoates because;

Rev 8:2 "And I saw the seven angels which STOOD befoe God;…"

Prior to the introduction of the Seven Trumpets, the scene of heaven portrays the judgment set and the angels STOOD before God. These are the angels who "were given seven trumpets (Rev 8:2)".
Dan 7:10 "A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand STOOD before him: the JUDGMENT WAS SET, and the BOOKS WERE OPENED."

My understanding is that all the seven trumpets should have been sounding ever since Jesus has entered into the Most Holy place at 1844 AD.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Mountain Man] #168617
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Sixth Seal = Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: for the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Seventh Seal = There was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

Before His presence "all faces are turned into paleness;" upon the rejecters of God's mercy falls the terror of eternal despair. "The heart melteth, and the knees smite together, . . . and the faces of them all gather blackness." Jeremiah 30:6; Nahum 2:10. The righteous cry with trembling: "Who shall be able to stand?" The angels' song is hushed, and there is a period of awful silence. Then the voice of Jesus is heard, saying: "My grace is sufficient for you." The faces of the righteous are lighted up, and joy fills every heart. And the angels strike a note higher and sing again as they draw still nearer to the earth. {GC 641.1}

Does the passage above describe the sixth and the seventh seals?

6) "Who shall be able to stand?"
7) A period of awful silence.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #168618
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When was Jesus given the censer filled with incense - "there was given unto him much incense"? 1844?

When will Jesus fill the censer with fire and cast it down to the earth - "cast it into the earth"? When probation closes?

Why does the prophecy depict the angels sounding their trumpets one at a time after Jesus casts down the censer? Does it mean they transpire after probation closes?

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #168717
10/06/14 03:18 AM
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Rev 5:9 “And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.”

Jesus is our High Priest. Heb. 8:1 “NOW OF the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;”

What do you think, Mountain Man? Was Jesus given the incense when He has ascended to heaven or only when He entered the Most Holy Place?

What I know for sure is that when Christ our high priest cast the censer that is filled with fire of the altar of incense into the earth (Rev8:5), the wrath of God will pour out upon the earth (Rev 15:7,8 and 16:1).
The incense of prayers that has gone up to the throne of God, which is mixed with ‘sweet incense’ of Jesus, must come down in the answer to His saints.

We understand that the casting of incense depicts the close of the probation. The seven angels of the trumpet stood before God and observed the judgment of God (Dan 7:10). When the judgment is completed the sounding of the trumpets were blown to warn the coming seven plagues of the wrath of God.

We must understand the function of the trumpet is to warn. 1 Cor 14:8 “For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?”

The task of the warning of the Seven Trumpet is not an event. It only tells us about the things that will happen in the timeline of the final wrath of God.

The seven warnings of the trumpet are perfectly parallel to the seven plagues, as we have discussed before.

The warnings of the Seven Trumpet should not have to wait until the close of the probation just because it depicts issues of the things of the Seven Plagues.

The Seven Trumpet makes the whole image of understanding on what is coming in the Seven Plagues comprehensive. Transpiring the Seven Trumpet is saying that the Seven Plagues will fall.

We should be committed to tell the world of the imminent wrath of God in the Seven Plagues. I believe that this is the task of the Seven Trumpets that we must bear.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #168748
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Originally Posted By: Karen Y
What do you think, Mountain Man? Was Jesus given the incense when He has ascended to heaven or only when He entered the Most Holy Place?

Jesus carried the censer and incense into the MHP in 1844. He will fill the censer with fire and cast to earth when probation closes.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #168762
10/07/14 10:42 AM
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Is that means that Rev 8:2-5 portrays Jesus' intercessory ministry in the Most Holy Place ever since 1844?
If so, the introductory sanctuary vision in Rev 8:2-5 depicts the Seven Trumpet should have been blown ever since 1844 as the warnings of the coming Seven Plagues.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: dedication] #168763
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"Revelation 8:2-5 Covers the HEAVENLY SCENE

It begins with Christ in the Holy Place before the altar of incense offering up the prayers of the saints with His merits before God. (33 A.D. -- 1844 A.D.)"-poster Dedication

Hebrews 9:3-4 "And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all; Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;"

According to the above Scripture, the alter of incense in Heavenly place is considered as an article of the Most Holy Place.

The ministration of Jesus in Rev 8:2-5 at the MHP may indicate the Seven Trumpet's warning should have been sounded ever since 1844.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #168764
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Revelation 8:5 "And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. [6] And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound."

From these verses, it appears that:

1) Trumpets are for warning the people
2) This is an angel casting in the censer not Jesus declaring "It is done"
3) Voices
4) Thunderings
5) Lightnings
6) Earthquake

Voices?
Is the 3rd angel's message "Thundering" sounding the final warning?
Is there any "lightnings" shining on endtime events?
Any earth shaking events to waken God's people?

These are the warnings:

8:7 ¶ The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

1) Hail
2) Fire
3) Blood
4) Cast on the earth (literal or symbolic of America?)
5) Third part burned up

We have hail storms.
Fires are burning in America's west.
And ISIS is killing Americans (and everybody who does not agree with them)

Is any of that prophecy fulfilled?

8:8 "And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;"

1) Burning mountain into the sea

2) sea became blood

Mountain as I read it is from a root "to go up and to come down"

We have sent things up into orbit and they have come down

An American satellite as big as a school bus crashed into the Pacific a few years ago

And Russia lost contact with one of theirs that crashed into the Pacific shortly after that

And the Gulf Oil spill spewed the blood of "dead men" into the sea until we finally got it stopped

Does any of that remotely fit the prophecy?

Or are we to wait for something dramatic like the International Space Station crashing to earth like a flame of fire?

If the ISS like "a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea" would that fulfill the prophetic trumpet warning?

Should the ISS come down in a blaze of glory, many will argue that the trumpets are repeating.

Conversely many will argue that it is coincidental.

But the ISS could crash at any time even as soon as 22 October 2014.

We can speculate on possible prophetic scenarios, but until prophecy is fulfilled

How can we match the prophecy with the fulfillment?

And when prophecy is fulfilled,

How will we know that the event is the fulfillment of Bible prophecy?

Most folks seem to think their opinion is all they need

but they don't really know beans about prophecy because they do not study it


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