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Re: If One kills those who disagree with Him, does that show love?
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10/28/14 04:59 PM
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Isn't it odd that APL and Kland have no problem with Jesus withdrawing HIs protection and permitting evil men and evil angels to cause unspeakable carnage - carnage that often includes the suffering and death of innocent women and children. Actually MM - you have bigger problem as you have no good explanation for all the suffering and death of children that is happening now! And you believe that murdering people in war is an acceptable thing. God has given us freewill. If we use it to reject God, in the end, He will tell us, "thy will be done".
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: If One kills those who disagree with Him, does that show love?
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10/29/14 02:45 PM
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Isn't it odd that APL and Kland have no problem with Jesus withdrawing HIs protection and permitting evil men and evil angels to cause unspeakable carnage - carnage that often includes the suffering and death of innocent women and children. MM, I understand you are attempting to contrast what you see as two views. I see you saying that giving people free choice is worse than seeking out and killing people.
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Re: If One kills those who disagree with Him, does that show love?
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Your responses indicate you agree with my observation. It is indeed odd you have no problem believing Jesus permits evil men and evil angels to murder innocent women and children. In our justice system people who have the power to prevent murder and do not act are considered culpable.
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Re: If One kills those who disagree with Him, does that show love?
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Your responses indicate you agree with my observation. It is indeed odd you have no problem believing Jesus permits evil men and evil angels to murder innocent women and children. In our justice system people who have the power to prevent murder and do not act are considered culpable. Are you accusing God of being culpable? Or perhaps you believe that God can't stop the violence that is happening now. If not, why can He not stop it?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: If One kills those who disagree with Him, does that show love?
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10/29/14 11:29 PM
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That He does not stop it now does not imply that He cannot or will not stop it in the future. Extrapolation must be done with care.
By God's grace,
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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: If One kills those who disagree with Him, does that show love?
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10/30/14 02:53 AM
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How do you stop a rape or a murder in the future, after it has already happen? MM is saying that if one can stop it and does not, then they are culpable. No need to extrapolate, we are in the thick of things now.
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Re: If One kills those who disagree with Him, does that show love?
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10/30/14 12:53 PM
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Your responses indicate you agree with my observation. It is indeed odd you have no problem believing Jesus permits evil men and evil angels to murder innocent women and children. In our justice system people who have the power to prevent murder and do not act are considered culpable. Not necessarily. But if you are saying that those who could prevent a murder are "culpable", then what about those who actually do the murder?
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Re: If One kills those who disagree with Him, does that show love?
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God has given us freewill. If we use it to reject God, in the end, He will tell us, "thy will be done". God's will is what will be done in the end. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: If One kills those who disagree with Him, does that show love?
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Your responses indicate you agree with my observation. It is indeed odd you have no problem believing Jesus permits evil men and evil angels to murder innocent women and children. In our justice system people who have the power to prevent murder and do not act are considered culpable. Not necessarily. But if you are saying that those who could prevent a murder are "culpable", then what about those who actually do the murder? You believe Jesus chooses to permit evil men and evil angels to murder innocent women and children. You also believe He can prevent it without violating free will or the rules of engagement. You do not have a problem with it. You are okay with it.
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Re: If One kills those who disagree with Him, does that show love?
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Your responses indicate you agree with my observation. It is indeed odd you have no problem believing Jesus permits evil men and evil angels to murder innocent women and children. In our justice system people who have the power to prevent murder and do not act are considered culpable. Are you accusing God of being culpable? Or perhaps you believe that God can't stop the violence that is happening now. If not, why can He not stop it? The point is you are okay with Jesus permitting evil men and evil angels murdering innocent women and children.
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