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Re: If One kills those who disagree with Him, does that show love?
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Re: If One kills those who disagree with Him, does that show love?
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So, yeah, you believe Jesus withdraws His protection and permits evil men to rape and murder innocent women and children. You haven't said why. APL believes it is because Jesus respects freewill. I believe Jesus does so for reasons that make sense to Him. He is free to intervene and prevent evildoers from following through with their evil plans. He can do so without violating freewill.
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Re: If One kills those who disagree with Him, does that show love?
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The reason evil men get away with doing evil things (steal, rape, murder, etc) is because Jesus chooses not to intervene and prevent it. Why doesn't He always intervene and prevent evil? Why does He sometimes permit it? The answer is simple - For reasons that make sense to Him. Rarely does He explain those reasons here and now. In heaven, though, He will. And the reasons will make sense. They do not lessen the sorrow or sadness. It breaks Jesus' heart when circumstances force Him to permit evil. But we can trust Jesus to the manage the outcome of choices in the one and only best way. He will always do it right - no matter how much grief and sorrow it costs Him.
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Re: If One kills those who disagree with Him, does that show love?
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MM, "force Him to permit evil". Force? And you disagree with me that there are situations that God can not prevent, but say that situations "FORCE" Him to allow evil. Interesting! NOW, can you back this up with scripture to counter what I have posted from scripture?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: If One kills those who disagree with Him, does that show love?
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Here is how Inspiration uses the word "force" Christ rebuked the presumptuous tempter and forced him to depart. {GC 50.2} But Jesus repulsed the enemy, and forced him to depart, a conquered foe. {ST, August 19, 1886 par. 5}
The lessons of faith which they have neglected they will be forced to learn under a terrible pressure of discouragement. {GC 622.1} Contrast the work of the rum seller with the work of Jesus Christ, and you will be forced to admit that those who deal in liquor, and those who sustain the traffic, are working in co-partnership with Satan. {Te 40.4}
The members of the church will individually be tested and proved. They will be placed in circumstances where they will be forced to bear witness for the truth. {5T 463.2} The time is not far distant, when, like the early disciples, we shall be forced to seek a refuge in desolate and solitary places. {5T 464.3}
Men will soon be forced to great decisions, and it is our duty to see that they are given an opportunity to understand the truth, that they may take their stand intelligently on the right side. {9T 126.3} But wherever God's people may be forced to go, even though, like the beloved disciple, they are banished to desert islands, Christ will know where they are and will strengthen and bless them, filling them with peace and joy. {9T 227.2}
God's true workmen will be forced to speak the truth and unmask hypocrisy and deception in defending every portion of the word of God. {RH, October 23, 1894 par. 4} Those who seek to make it appear that there is no special meaning attached to the judgments that the Lord is now sending upon the earth will soon be forced to understand that which now they do not choose to understand. {RH, August 20, 1903 par. 17}
Men will soon be forced to great decisions, and they must have opportunity to hear and to understand Bible truth, in order that they may take their stand intelligently on the right side. {RH, April 7, 1910 par. 3} Disease of such a character will come upon the transgressor that he will be forced to admit that he is reaping the result of previous habits, which have weakened his power of resistance. {16MR 61.3} I am using the word "force" in a similar way.
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Re: If One kills those who disagree with Him, does that show love?
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. . . you disagree with me that there are situations that God can not prevent Cannot. Will not. Why not? Because Jesus always does what is right and best. Sometimes He permits evil. Sometimes He prevents it. Why? For reasons that make sense to Him. It's that simple. Evildoers are free to choose. But Jesus is free to manage the outcome of their choices. Sometimes He explains why. Most of the time He does not.
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Re: If One kills those who disagree with Him, does that show love?
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Jesus have reasons, and you can't now know them. That is what you are saying. But is that the reality? I think we can know why sin was permitted and why it continues. God calls us to "come and reason together". We can know!
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: If One kills those who disagree with Him, does that show love?
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You have already told us why you think Jesus chooses not to intervene and prevent evildoers from murdering innocent women and children. You believe it is because He respects their freedom 1) to choose and 2) to do. However, this implies Jesus chooses to violate their freedom to do when He intervenes and prevents it.
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Re: If One kills those who disagree with Him, does that show love?
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You have already told us why you think Jesus chooses not to intervene and prevent evildoers from murdering innocent women and children. You believe it is because He respects their freedom 1) to choose and 2) to do. However, this implies Jesus chooses to violate their freedom to do when He intervenes and prevents it. Is that what you are saying the difference is? That when Jesus steps in and prevents a rape, murder, etc., that is violating free will and He never violates free will, so then you re-categorize it and say it doesn't violate free will? So basically you are saying when He doesn't prevent evil men from causing harm, you are saying He is respecting their free will and somehow that makes sense, that no one can understand other than Him?
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Re: If One kills those who disagree with Him, does that show love?
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Jeremiah 9:23-24 Thus said the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches: 24 But let him that glories glory in this, that he understands and knows me, that I am the LORD which exercise loving kindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, said the LORD.
But some say we can't understand!
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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