Indeed there are people consecrated to God through whom God can communicate truth.
These are represented by the seven pipes.

It is only those who stand in the presence of God -- Christ and the Holy Spirit, who can draw the oil from the scriptures and place it in human hearts and minds so they can share it with others.

Remember
"And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Mtt. 24:11"

If all people do not have the right to go to the scripture itself in prayer to discover the truth, how would they know which modern days prophets are true and which are false?




and in the last thread where he posted this same study he concluded:



It's no secret who GLL thinks is that "other" = he believes it is Houteff.

It is purely a Shepherd Rod interpretation.
This interpretation is engineered to elevate Houteff above scripture.

And remember Houteff and his followers also claim EGW did not fully understand the prophecies. How many times have SRod followers told me that? How many times when I've quoted passages from EGW that speak directly contrary to Houteff's "interpretations" have I been told I must not quote her? Many times!!!

Thus the Shepherd Rod's logical conclusion is -- only V. Houteff has the final right to interpret scripture. If Houteff appears to agree with EGW then she is a "prophetess of God", if she doesn't agree with Houteff, then we are told we must not quote from her.

The whole protestant reformation rose up against just such a teaching that restricts Bible interpretation to one or tiny group of men.

The Catholic church claimed only she had the right to interpret the scriptures. The protestant reformers read the scriptures and saw those interpretations were not truth, and determined to give the people the Bible so they could find truth for themselves.

Even if a so-called prophet has 95% truth, but has one or two huge errors that lead people to a completely different destination, they are wrong.

Houteff and EGW cannot both be true prophets.
They do not lead to the same kingdom.

Ded- If all people do not have the right to go to the scripture itself in prayer to discover the truth, how would they know which modern days prophets are true and which are false?

First of all, this question needs to be answered by Scripture. When we look at the Holy Word we find that ONE last prophet is to come "Elijah" and he is to "restore all things"(meaning to restore the Truth, doctrines, hearsay, false ideas and interpretations, etc.).

So your idea about "modern prophets" is without merit and non-Scriptural. Be careful as I really see you are not being guided by the "Spirit of Truth" but by some strange deceiving spirit.

What is Scripture and SOP? Is it written by Tom, Dick and Harry? or by Inspired "consecrated" messengers (prophets) of God?

We may be able to gleam precious truth from Scripture but the "prophecies" that which tell what the Lord --will do, comes ONLY by His prophets. it is THEIR interpretations we must know and teach.

Amos 3:7-- "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

A perfect example is Dedication using Isaiah 14:13-14 to say that it is additional proof supporting her idea of Satan's kingdom in Israel during the Loud Cry. Pure private interpretation.

We know as we have shown that EGW strictly describes this verse as the time in heaven when Satan was in rebellion

Or the many times she tried to portray Isaiah 2:2-4 into a time of the 490 years (at their end) or the "new earth" application, both of which cannot be sustained as we have repeatedly shown. God has said it clearly-- it can only happen pre-millennially.

As far as Houteff and her wasteful comments , we'll leave that for addressing later. we still await her proof from SRod of her fanatical belief that--
Davidians will some day soon slaughter SDA in the churches, what blasphemy. Without any evidence from SRod.

So if we are not to study scripture for ourselves who is to say which self proclaimed prophet is Elijah?


True, scripture says:
Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

But scripture also warns us that false prophets and false Christs will appear, saying, Lo here, and Lo there. And we are NOT to listen to them, for when Christ comes it will be in the clouds of glory like lightening from east to west (See Matt. 24 and Luke 17:21-24)

Also, where does Malachi say there is a second, superior prophet, after a first incomplete prophet ?

Malachi speaks of only one -- that one was EGW, and she would never place herself above the Bible but urges everyone to search the scriptures for themselves, a lesser light pointing to the greater light, and that all who present the last message will share in giving this message.



John the Baptist went forth in the spirit and power of Elijah, to prepare the way of the Lord, and to turn the people to the wisdom of the just. He was a representative of those living in the last days, to whom God has intrusted sacred truths to present before the people, to prepare the way for the second appearing of Christ. {CTBH 39.1}
As John the Baptist prepared the way for Christ's first coming, so we are to prepare the way for His second coming. {BCL 88.2}

The whole claim that God didn't reveal to EGW the proper endtime condition in which God's people would find themselves, is not correct. He did reveal it to her in considerable detail and it is very different from Houteff's interpretations.

"Many of our people do not realize how firmly the foundation of our faith has been laid. ... A line of truth extending from that time to the time when we shall enter the city of God, was made plain to me, and I gave to others the instruction that the Lord had given me. {1SM 206.4}

In that "line of truth" she was shown God's people faced with the sunday law, persecution, saints fleeing (NOT to Jerusalem) but into the mountains. She was shown the seven plagues, the death decree, God's deliverance, the second coming, the New earth.

It seems inconceivable that God would leave out something as major as a temporal kingdom if that were really the great climax and crowning hope of His followers.




GLL WROTE: What is Scripture and SOP? Is it written by Tom, Dick and Harry? or by Inspired "consecrated" messengers (prophets) of God?

Scripture and true Spirit of Prophecy is inspired.

But how do we determine between the many false prophets which claim to have the "present truth" whether or not he is true?

It is ONLY by fortifying our minds with scripture, and comparing human interpretations with truths that are established.

Houteff is leading to a very different kingdom, than the one Jesus talks about in the New Testament.



GLL wrote: A perfect example is Dedication using Isaiah 14:13-14 to say that it is additional proof supporting her idea of Satan's kingdom in Israel during the Loud Cry. Pure private interpretation.
We know as we have shown that EGW strictly describes this verse as the time in heaven when Satan was in rebellion

No, there is no way those verses are "strictly" pertaining only to satan's rebellion in heaven! True Satan's rebellion began in heaven but it most certainly did not end there.

Isaiah 14:13-14 descripes Satan's ambitions.
And those ambitions did not end with his removal from heaven to this earth.

"All the vast, complicated machinery of evil agencies is put into action in these last days. Through generation after generation, from age to age, Satan has gathered human agencies through whom to work out his diabolical purposes, and to bring about the enforcement of his plans and devices in the earth. ... He considered that to be the god of this world was the next best thing to gaining possession of the throne of God in heaven."
RH April 1896


One of the biggest evidences for this counterfeit kingdom is the persistent emphases so many DIFFERENT groups place on it's upcoming establishment. The groundwork through so many apparently unrelated groups to merge on this, was orchestrated by the one who has determined to place his throne on the "sides of the north". And he will come impersonating Christ.




Psalms 48:1-2 Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised in the city of our God, in the mountain of his holiness.
Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.

Isaiah 14:13 For thou (Satan) hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.





Had the Jewish nation accepted Christ as their Messiah, their city would have been a light to the whole world.
Because they rejected the Prince of Life, their city would not – could not be the light to world, it was desolate.

“Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. Matt.23:38.

"And for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation," Dan. 9:27

Ded-Malachi speaks of only one -- that one was EGW,

******* STAFF EDIT ******* Dedication says that when the Lord says the "Elijah" --a male prophet no doubt, that is to come, He means a female--EGW!! Wow. then let us now destroy the word of SOP--

"The language of the Bible should be explained according to it's obvious meaning, unless a symbol or figure is employed."(GC, p.598)

I ask you-- Does the Lord mean that "Eliajh" should be a female? Has the Lord ever described a male prophet as a female name? Search and see.

Brethren, does the Elijah really mean a prophetess such as "Deborah" for example, or another female(Ellen White)? What deception and false hood. ******* STAFF EDIT *******

Ded- GLL wrote: A perfect example is Dedication using Isaiah 14:13-14 to say that it is additional proof supporting her idea of Satan's kingdom in Israel during the Loud Cry. Pure private interpretation.
We know as we have shown that EGW strictly describes this verse as the time in heaven when Satan was in rebellion

No, there is no way those verses are "strictly" pertaining only to satan's rebellion in heaven! True Satan's rebellion began in heaven but it most certainly did not end there.

Isaiah 14:13-14 descripes Satan's ambitions.
And those ambitions did not end with his removal from heaven to this earth.

"All the vast, complicated machinery of evil agencies is put into action in these last days. Through generation after generation, from age to age, Satan has gathered human agencies through whom to work out his diabolical purposes, and to bring about the enforcement of his plans and devices in the earth. ... He considered that to be the god of this world was the next best thing to gaining possession of the throne of God in heaven."
RH April 1896

Did she quote Inspiration for her proof that Isaiah 14:13-14 describes the Satan kingdom in the time of the Loud Cry? Do you see (RH April 1896) mention Isaiah 14:13-14, justifying her position?
Or was it her own private interpretation?

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." (1 Peter 1:20)

APL-The two witnesses represent the Scriptures of the Old and the New Testament.

Yes, indeed.

Continuing with our study--

The Golden Bowl

Since we have learned that the "Oil" represents in summary-- Revealed Truth, then through the two pipes (God's prophets) the Oil ends up in the "Golden Bowl". Which represents the published works of the Inspired messengers.The reservoir of Revealed Truth.

Candlestick with Seven Lamps(lights)

In order to understand this prophecy and meaning we need to know that the meaning of this symbol is our churches. It is not the world churches.

"The Lord Jesus has been present when they have been presenting that which was called sermons, but their words were destitute of the dew and rain of heaven. They evidenced that the anointed ones described by Zechariah (see chapter 4) had not ministered to them that they might minister to others. When the anointed ones empty themselves through the golden pipes, the golden oil flows out of themselves into the golden bowl, to flow forth into the lamps, the churches. (Testimonies to Ministers, p.337)

The Seven Pipes

With the above understanding of the Candlestick and lamps, then the ministry is represented by the tubes, whose duty is to feed the entire church with inspired Word of God only. Yet sadly, just as there are private laymen and women, who by pass the Two Pipes (divine messengers), there are ministers who practice this same "private interpretation".

Spirit of prophecy explains --

"The golden oil represents the Holy Spirit. With this oil God's ministers are to be constantly supplied, that they, in turn, may impart it to the church." (Ibid, p.188)

Summary

This prophectic symbolism shows us the Scriptural method to rightly understand God's word. When followed it divinely supplies us (His church) with the bright light (Oil) of Truth. The church indeed glows brightly to the world.

However beautiful in design, sadly the church is but flickering in a mass of private interpretations. God, our all knowing creator, knew ahead of time this would happen and thus sent His vision to the prophet Zechariah for predominantly our benefit. Have we used it, been blessed by this method? Each must answer this question.

"This divinely illustrated lesson is too plain to be misunderstood, or its meaning misconstrued. The only safe way by which God's servants and His church can be free from error, full of faith without guile in their mouth (all speak the same thing), is the never erring guide -- "The Spirit of Prophecy."

The acceptance of so-called truth, without inspiration, is the devil's trap of deception, and they who advocate such fallacious teachings are the hardest and most impossible ones to rescue from Satan's bottomless pit; for he makes them believe that confession of their errors would disqualify them for teachers, and dishonor their high standing.

He who denies inspired interpretation of the Scriptures is denying the office of the Holy Spirit, and is sinning against Him -- committing the unpardonable sin!" (SRod, vol. 2, p.286)

So if we are not to study scripture for ourselves and must rely on someone who says he is "Elijah" to understand anything -- who is to say which self proclaimed prophet is Elijah?


True, scripture says:
Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:


But scripture also warns us that false prophets and false Christs will appear, saying, Lo here, and Lo there. And we are NOT to listen to them, for when Christ comes it will be in the clouds of glory like lightening from east to west (See Matt. 24 and Luke 17:21-24)



This is what scripture says about the last days:

MATT. 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here [is] Christ, or there; believe [it] not.
24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.


LUKE 17:22 (Jesus) answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
17:22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see [it].
17:23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after [them], nor follow [them].
17:24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one [part] under heaven, shineth unto the other [part] under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.


These texts are pretty clear that we are NOT to listen to anyone who directs us to seek the kingdom "here" or "over there", --


It's not right to demand one must only accept the interpretation of one who is saying what those texts say we are not to listen to!

Dedication wrote -- Malachi speaks of only one -- that one was EGW,



In other words, even though GLL uses EGW's quotes and posts nice sounding explanations of the value of a prophet in the last days to guide the church, the above is pretty explicit that he does not regard EGW in that capacity.

We have experienced that in a number of situations already.
EGW MUST be regarded as subservient to Houteff in the Shepherd Rod teachings. If her position contradicts, then Houteff must be honored and EGW pushed aside.

The big flaw in GLL's presentations is that Houteff does not follow in the established light of the SOP before him. IF as he says, the bowl is established on revealed truth.

Early Seventh-day Adventists made a complete break with futurist-dispensationalist premillennialists; a belief that was very prevalent in their day. There was quite a verbal battle going on between 7th day Adventists and other "former Millerites" who were advocating a literalist interpretation of OT prophecies to Palestine.

God revealed to EGW --
" I was pointed to some who are in the great error of believing that it is their duty to go to Old Jerusalem,and think they have a work to do there before the Lord comes." EW 75

Yet, Houteff taught that all God's true people must to Old Jerusalem and think they have a great work to do there before the Lord comes.

How then can both EGW and Houteff be pouring out the same oil?
If the oil is revealed truth as GLL stated, and the two pipes are Houteff and EGW as GLL elsewhere stated -- we already have a great confusion of doctrine, as
EGW and Houteff interpret scripture differently.

Without wasting time with her roundabout points and ideas, Dedication still has to deal with this fact, which she hasn't--

Both Scripture and EGW speak of a "male" to come in the spirit of power of Elijah. (Mal 4:5 and Testimonies to Ministers, page 475).

She has "privately interpreted" the "Elijah" means "Ellen", which obviously, as we have learned, goes against the very instructions Zech. 4 was divinely sent.

When Ellen said , speaking of Elijah, "..when he appears.." Dedication is forced, by way of the deceiving spirit, to declare the "he" means "she".

For arguments sake, even if the Elijah to come was not brother Houteff, it would still have to be a male prophet. Otherwise the Lord's word would return void, something It cannot do.

Brethren, don't you fall trap to Satan's wiles. Keep Zech. 4 lesson firmly in mind as to God's method of understanding "Revealed Truth".

***** STAFF EDIT *****

The Jews tried to stop the proclamation of the message that had been predicted [some are doing the same thing today!] in the Word of God; but prophecy must be fulfilled. The Lord says, "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord" (Malachi 4:5). Somebody is to come in the spirit and power of Elijah, and when he appears, men may say, "You are too earnest, you do not interpret the Scriptures in the proper way. Let me tell you how to teach your message." {1SM 412.2}

There are many who cannot distinguish between the work of God and that of man. I [Ellen White] shall tell the truth as God gives it to me, and I say now, If you continue to find fault, to have a spirit of variance, you will never know the truth, Jesus said to His disciples, "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now" (John 16:12). They were not in a condition to appreciate sacred and eternal things; but Jesus promised to send the Comforter, who would teach them all things, and bring all things to their remembrance, whatsoever He had said unto them. Brethren [hm - does is this speaking only to men? The language is masculine! Must be!! not], we must not put our dependence in man. "Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of?" (Isaiah 2:22). You must hang your helpless souls upon Jesus. It does not become us to drink from the fountain of the valley, when there is a fountain in the mountain. Let us leave the lower streams; let us come to the higher springs. If there is a point of truth that you do not understand, upon which you do not agree, investigate, compare scripture with scripture[no need to run to the writings of a single man], sink the shaft of truth down deep into the mine of God's Word. You must lay yourselves and your opinions on the altar of God, put away your preconceived ideas, and let the Spirit of Heaven guide you into all truth.[The Spirit is the guide] {1SM 412.3}

Pictorial view of Zechariah 4--Zech. 4 lesson

APL-Brethren [hm - does is this speaking only to men? The language is masculine! Must be!! not], we must not put our dependence in man. "Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of?" (Isaiah 2:22). You must hang your helpless souls upon Jesus. It does not become us to drink from the fountain of the valley, when there is a fountain in the mountain. Let us leave the lower streams; let us come to the higher springs. If there is a point of truth that you do not understand, upon which you do not agree, investigate, compare scripture with scripture[no need to run to the writings of a single man], sink the shaft of truth down deep into the mine of God's Word. You must lay yourselves and your opinions on the altar of God, put away your preconceived ideas, and let the Spirit of Heaven guide you into all truth.[The Spirit is the guide] {1SM 412.3}

We certainly must "Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of?" (Isaiah 2:22).

There is a difference from ceasing from "man" and ceasing from a prophet(ess) of God. One you cease from one you don't. Allow me to explain.

"And He said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."(Luke 16:31)

Time and again God's word exhorts us to "hear..the prophets". For in THEM, God speaks to us. This fuzzy idea that we as His people are just like the prophets, we can go into the trees (the Testaments) and pull out our own oil (prophetic truth) and spread it around, will certainly doom us.

Two duties are basically the summary of mankind's walk with the Lord--

"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man." (Ecc. 12:13)

We as God's remnant are well familiar with the second of those commands, but how many of us truly observe and dwell upon the first!

When we do private interpretation and predict false things to come, or any false idea that the prophets of God have not said through His direction, we show no "fear" of the consequences.

"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." (Rev.22:19)

But there is a big difference in understanding the aforementioned counsel and the following counsel--

"God has different ways of working, and He has different workmen to whom He entrusts varied gifts. One worker may.. another may have special power to explain the word of God with clearness. And each gift is to become a power for God, because He works with the laborer."(GC, p.483)


So while God prophetic word only comes through His prophets, His gift is bestowed to some "men and women" who have the ability to "explain it" more completely. BUT and this is important, their explanation will always be based on the Inspired writings

For instance if I say, God is going to do this---, and can't back it up with direct and clear references, I am not "explaining" it but rather promoting "private interpretations". This is the foundation of building private agendas and ideas.

The Sunday keepers are a perfect example. They cannot produce from the word of God, where He eliminated the seventh day Sabbath. They explain it away without ever producing Inspired references.

Again, this is the whole lesson of Zechariah 4, to "cease ye from man" and follow and explain His word as directed by the prophets, from God.