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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #171158
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There is a voice from the temple in the sixth trumpet to loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates (Rev. 9:14) and then the angel of the sixth bowl pours out the plague upon the great river Euphrates (Rev. 16:12). The armies of the Lord (Rev. 19:14), which are numbered “two hundred thousand thousand” (Rev. 9:16) are commissioned to slay “the third part of men” (Rev. 9:15) of the earth dwellers (Rev. 8:13).

The intensity of the plague by the fire, the smoke and the brimstone is depicted as “the heads of the horses were as the heads of Lions” (Rev. 9:17) in their ferocity. We are told that the three unclean spirits are working miracles,and gather the whole world together to the great day of God Almighty (Rev. 16:14), inevitably which ushers themselves into punishment of the sixth plague. So to unlock the sixth plagues, we must pair up the fire to unclean spirit of the dragon, the smoke to unclean spirit of the beast, and the brimstone to unclean spirit of the false prophets.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #171171
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the judgment of the seven trumpet which prepared to sound after the cast of the incense (Rev. 8:5).
What does that mean to you, casting the incense?

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #171184
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The Seventh Seal is broken to introduce the final drama of the great tribulation.

Keep in mind why John wept much initially for the unbroken seals in Chap. Five.

Now the seal is broken and the investigative judgment completed. The probation has closed. No wonder that there is awful silence in heaven for half an hour in awaiting of next development of event.

In the flashback of the redemtption story, the seven angels are given the seven trumpets who stood by before God to watch the investigative judgment of the Chap. Five. There were ten thousand times ten thousand angels in attendance (Dan. 7:10) in the judgment. Another angel came and stood to officiate at the golden altar. We know that this is none other than Jesus, because no angel is known to offer incense with the prayers of saints to make them acceptable to God.
Jesus has a golden censer as our High Priest in heaven. The smoke of the incense is the prayers of the saints (Rev. 5:8). The Angel took the censer, and filled it with the fire of the altar, and emptied it upon the earth. The prayers went up to the Father, and judgment came down, which depicted as “and there were thunderings, lightnings and an earthquake.” The final storm breaks at last! The wrath of God poured out in the Seven Plagues when the Angel casts the incense.

The Seven Trumpets are the warning messages that are forecasted of the Seven Plagues. I think that our minds are so indoctrinated with an historical application and always looking to place events into a timeline that brings so much speculation and misinterpretation. If we keep our minds in the
perspective of redemption of God to interprete the Book of Revelation using the sanctuary message as a key, we may clearly see the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #171190
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Hard to determine if you answered my question or not.

Would you say the 7 trumpets are a warning, but warning to whom?
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Re 9:21 And they did not repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts.
Doesn't seem like a warning to me. Seems more like a war trumpet.


And what does this mean:
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Re 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!"

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #171297
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"The perils of the last days are upon us, and in our work we are to warn the people of the danger they are in. Let not the solemn scenes which prophecy has revealed be left untouched. If our people were half awake, if they realized the nearness of the events portrayed in the Revelation, a reformation would be wrought in our churches, and many more would believe the message. We have no time to lose… Maranatha Jan. 15, 2015 pg 23


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1 Cor. 14:8 "For if the trumpet give an ucertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?"


Jesus showed the throne room to Apostle John in vision and he saw "lightnings and thunderings and voices" (Rev. 4:5)

The people of God who are sealed may also foreseen the throne of God where the "lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail" (Rev. 11:19) proceed. There is no indication that earth dwellers have received such punishments in this seventh trumpet as to the Seven Plagues, which men on earth "blasphemed God because of the plague…; for the plague thereof was exceeding great." (Rev. 16:21)

Therefore, we are told that the Seventh Trumpet is foretelling the end of "It is done" (Rev. 16:17) that "the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our LORD , and of his Christ; (Rev. 11:15).

The "lightnings, thunderings, and voices, earthquakes and great hails" are the punishments that made known to unrighteous who break the covenant of God.

Amos 3:7 "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets".

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #171300
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The main two purposes of the spring and fall feasts are to teach the plan of salvation and to provide the prophetic template for all of God's major interventions in human history. Brothers and sisters the spring feasts are fulfilled right? What about the fall? We are hard pressed to find a fulfillment of the Feast of Trumpets in 1833 to 1844 although some of the brethren venture to strain the application that far and see a partial fulfillment there. But the trumpets will meet their complete fulfillment soon.

For centuries devout Jews have sent a family member to the door of the home on Passover to welcome Elijah. When he doesn't appear they say "maybe next year". All Jonathan Cahn is saying is "maybe this fall", not for Elijah, but for the next big move of God which is the trumpets that announce that "the hour of His judgment is come" - referring of course to the Day of Atonement ten days later. We desensitized Adventists, don't see it. Bless the Lord though that many non-Adventists realize this could be it and are turning to him and preparing for the storm of persecution that will burst on us by cleansing their hands and purifying their hearts.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #171301
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Speaking of Elijah, Ed Reid, author of Sunday's Coming and books on money management, claims that the ministry of John the Baptist was only six months. I was skeptical when I first heard him say that but if he's right that it was that short, what is the lesson for us? Noah preached for 120 years but the Elijah message at the end may well be "cut short in righteousness".

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #171349
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Friends, bear with me while I suggest we could expect to see dramatic changes in the course of human history even sooner than this fall. I pointed out above that this year, a biblical Sabbatical, is the first time in over 2000 years to synchronize with a blood moon tetrad that falls on the biblical feasts, so it's something we want to watch. I suggested it could, (not must, but could,) portend the fulfillment of the fall feasts. But I haven't stopped studying the things we're discussing here. Let me run by you all one more thought.

I reviewed Ezekiel's temple vision recently (Eze 40-48) and it struck that this vision shows the glory of God returning to the temple on the 10th day of the first month, Nissan, which is in early to mid April on our calendar. This is the same day that the Passover lamb was set aside and was also the last day of grace, according to Christ and Ellen White, for the Holy City because on this day Jerusalem, through its leaders, rejected Christ as it's King.
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It was on the first day of the week [This is the tenth day of Nissan] that Christ made His triumphal entry into Jerusalem. . .When the fast westering sun should pass from sight in the heavens, Jerusalem's day of grace would be ended. . . . There comes a time when mercy makes her last plea. . . . That day had come to Jerusalem. Jesus wept in anguish over the doomed city, but He could not deliver her. {DA 569.3, 577.3 & 587.2}

So both the departure and return of the glory of God to the temple are linked to the 10th of Nissan. This is also confirmed by the prophecy of Joel that the latter rain will be given in the first month.
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Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month. Joel 2:23.

So God's next major intervention, His manifestation of the sovereign Presence among His people, may be closer than we think. This year Nissan 10 begins the evening of March 29. The Sabbatical year begins ten days earlier on Nissan 1. That's 60 days away. This is not to say it will happen this spring but that it could. The Orthodox Jews may be closer to the truth than we think in sending a child to the door of the home at Passover to welcome Elijah. This year, Passover will witness a blood moon.

But the thought that the latter rain may be that close - - to me that's potentially the best possible news.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #171351
01/16/15 10:16 AM
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The binding claims of the law of God exhibited in the open temple of God with “lightnings, thunderings, voices, earthquakes and great hails” in the Seventh Trumpet. (Rev. 11:19).

You may also observe this vision in Rev. 4:5 where the judgment is opened in the throne of God. "And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: …"

The Seventh Trumpet is announcing the punishment of the Seventh Plague, which the effect is actually displayed as such of a mighty earthquake that made “every island fled away, and the mountains were not found’ and “men blasphemed God”. (Rev. 16:18-21).

Amos 3:7 "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets."

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #171352
01/16/15 11:31 AM
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Who is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name is Abaddon or Apollyon? (Rev. 9:1-11).

Eventually, isn’t he the one who will be bound in the bottomless pit for the thousand years thus he should deceive the nations no more?

In Rev. 20:7 tell us that “and when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison.” The Bible interprets itself. The angel of the bottomless pit is none other than the Devil, the Satan, which he will be shut in and set a seal upon him for the thousand years. He caused Jesus our Lord to shut in the tomb and sealed. Matt. 27:64-66 “Command therefore that the sepulcher be made sure until the third day, …made the sepulcher sure, sealing the stone, and setting a watch.”

When the Satan is out of the bottomless pit, he is going to do what he is known to do; deceiving others. (Rev. 20 :8, 3).

We are told that he “was given the key of the bottomless pit” (Rev. 9:1), which indicates that he deceives the nations with a system of false teaching. He causes the smoke to come out of the bottomless pit, which will darkened the sun and the air ( Verse 2) by his false doctrine.

The Devil also torments men that “men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them” (verse 6) but he is not allowed to “hurt those men who have the seal of God in their foreheads (verse 4).

Rev. 18:6 “Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.” God will deal with the Devil the same way because he tormented others he will be tormented.

Rev. 20:10 “And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”

The Satan has direct linkage to the Papacy, which he works through the false system of religion. Therefore the fifth trumpet is warning for the fifth plague that will pour upon the “seat of the beast” (Rev. 16:10) which his kingdom becomes full of darkness and be tormented as to “gnawed their tongues for pain”.

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