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Re: In the beginning.... God did a makeover.
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02/12/15 04:44 PM
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Would you stipulate that if there is no eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, there is no fall on this or other worlds? (See EW 39.3)
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: In the beginning.... God did a makeover.
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I agree that sin entered the world (and only this world) as the result of Adam and Eve listening to the serpent,the devil, and this world is the "theater of the universe" in which satan's government is allowed to demonstrate itself.
Yet, there is the unknown as to what actually happened when there was "war in heaven". Angels have some awesome power, and while I don't believe God would have allowed damage to inhabited worlds, we don't know what kind of physical damage they inflicted on the universe in general. Why are there "black holes" burnt out suns, exploded planets etc. etc. out there? How do we know if Satan didn't set off something that is ricocheting through the universe showing again how meddling with God's laws has snowballing effects?
It says God will make new earth and new heavens (straightening out the universe????)
Those are just questions -- we probably won't know the answers in this life. But though we are told sin PLANTED itself only in this world (our earth) there is also a concept that the universe is affected.
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Re: In the beginning.... God did a makeover.
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Would you stipulate that if there is no eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, there is no fall on this or other worlds? (See EW 39.3) " I asked one of them why they were so much more lovely than those on the earth. The reply was, "We have lived in strict obedience to the commandments of God, and have not fallen by disobedience, like those on the earth." Then I saw two trees, one looked much like the tree of life in the city. The fruit of both looked beautiful, but of one they could not eat. They had power to eat of both, but were forbidden to eat of one. Then my attending angel said to me, "None in this place have tasted of the forbidden tree; but if they should eat, they would fall." Living in strict obedience to God's laws is what made their world beautiful, happy, peaceful etc. etc. It is God's ways that brings happiness. That is the full testimony we need to understand. People think God's ways limit happiness and well being, but that is the greatest deception. Sin is BONDAGE and death. The best life is following God's ways, not only does it lead to eternal life, but it also brings peace and happiness in this life. Satan mixes good and evil to deceive and lure people to distrust God and accept his lawless ways. By now all the people on other worlds wouldn't want anything to do with a tree that opens the door for satan to enter their world. They know what happened when Adam opened that door.
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Re: In the beginning.... God did a makeover.
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My question is, "Would you stipulate that if there is no eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, there is no fall on this or other worlds?" (See EW 39.3)
I asked one of them why they were so much more lovely than those on the earth. The reply was, "We have lived in strict obedience to the commandments of God, and have not fallen by disobedience, like those on the earth." Then I saw two trees, one looked much like the tree of life in the city. The fruit of both looked beautiful, but of one they could not eat. They had power to eat of both, but were forbidden to eat of one. Then my attending angel said to me, "None in this place have tasted of the forbidden tree; but if they should eat, they would fall." {EW 39.3}
No eating, no fall.
Some follow up questions would be, what then happened when they ate the fruit? How did their eating the fruit affect all life on this planet, not just their own life? This includes plant and animals. EGW speaks of humans having multiple falls, what was she speaking about?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: In the beginning.... God did a makeover.
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02/13/15 05:59 PM
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The thing that changed after A&E sinned is Satan and the evil angels were no longer restricted to the forbidden tree. Satan became prince of the planet. Jesus permits him to tempt humans and to manipulate nature within limits He Himself sets and works to enforce. Otherwise, merely eating a piece of forbidden fruit does not account for all the changes in nature.
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Re: In the beginning.... God did a makeover.
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The thing that changed after A&E sinned is Satan and the evil angels were no longer restricted to the forbidden tree. Satan became prince of the planet. Jesus permits him to tempt humans and to manipulate nature within limits He Himself sets and works to enforce. Otherwise, merely eating a piece of forbidden fruit does not account for all the changes in nature. You are speaking the obvious... But it does not address the questions. But that's OK. There are many things that God could tell us but are we willing and able to hear them? I'm afraid not...
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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