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Re: What does it mean to "fear"?
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02/21/15 05:20 AM
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Ded- There are two roads open for everyone.
1) Come to Christ NOW and receive His gift of salvation, freedom from sin, accept His cleansing and His peace, and promise of eternal life. And at His coming joyfully rise to meet Him and exclaiming, This is my God! My Friend, my Savior.
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2) Find yourself standing before the throne of Christ in all His glory, and with agonizing clearance see what Christ did to save you, but you rejected the gift of life, spurned it and now as you look at your mortal body (still with the traces that cased your first death) you realize all is lost. Everyone around you is getting very violent, maybe even blaming you for their lost condition -- but the terrible scene ends quickly as fire hot enough to melt stones puts a quick end to it all.
I am truly amazed and astonished how short sighted these reasons are! This can only show that Christ is not working here.
First of all there is much much more than "her" two ways. Let us look at what is required of us to know Christ and have life.
To begin let's look at Inspiration, not private interpretations.
There are three ways in which the Lord reveals His will to us, to guide us, and to fit us to guide others. How may we know His voice from that of a stranger? How shall we distinguish it from the voice of a false shepherd?
God reveals His will to us in His word, the Holy Scriptures. His voice is also revealed in His providential workings; and it will be recognized if we do not separate our souls from Him by walking in our own ways, doing according to our own wills, and following the promptings of an unsanctified heart, until the senses have become so confused that eternal things are not discerned, and the voice of Satan is so disguised that it is accepted as the voice of God." (Testimonies, vol. 5, p.512)
We do indeed come before Christ and accept His "gift" of salvation. But it is only the beginning. Once acceptance is shown, a REFORMED life MUST take place. SOP explains--
"Not one of us will ever receive the seal of God while our characters have one spot or stain upon them.It is left with us to remedy the defects in our characters, to cleanse the soul temple of every defilement.Then the latter rain will fall upon us as the early rain fell upon the disciples on the Day of Pentecost." (Testimonies, vol. 5, p.214)
Now did we catch that? I mean really understand here? It shows that one habitual sin ( a spot or stain) unless it is "overcome" (Rev.21:7) will keep us out of heaven!
So it's not about cheap grace, it's about faith AND works. For one without the other is DEAD!(James 2:17)
"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries." (Hebrews 10:26-27)
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Re: What does it mean to "fear"?
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02/21/15 05:33 PM
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To begin let's look at Inspiration, not private interpretations. This is like an atheist posting on a Christian forum - Let's look at the scientific facts, not the Bible. This a SDA forum. The first six rules are: 1 - You must either be a member of the Seventh-day Adventist Church or a friend of the Seventh-day Adventist Church to become a member of Maritime SDA OnLine. 2 - You must be a member of the Seventh-day Adventist Church to have access to some of the private forums. Exceptions may be granted under special circumstances. 3 - You must have an active email address to become and remain a member of Maritime SDA OnLine. 4 - No email address can be posted without permission of addressee, except for emails already published on the Internet. 5 - You must either believe in or respect the 28 fundamental beliefs of the Seventh-day Adventist Church 6 - You must also either believe in or respect one of those 28 fundamental beliefs regarding Ellen G White as a messenger of God for both her time and our time.
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Re: What does it mean to "fear"?
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02/21/15 05:38 PM
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M: Job, I mean APL, you cannot adequately defend your beliefs so you resort to name calling. How crude.
J: Geez, MM, this is the second time in a week you've been called something. Yeah, there are three or four people here, besides you, who stoop to name calling and character assassination. It doesn't make sense to me. Why bother? It serves no purpose. The Moderators here are more tolerant and lenient than I prefer . . . but hey, to each his own, right!
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Re: What does it mean to "fear"?
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02/21/15 06:17 PM
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Well, as J.R. said - "I do find it advantageous from time to time."
"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
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Re: What does it mean to "fear"?
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02/21/15 06:24 PM
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M: A fire blazed out from the holy of holies and consumed them. {Te 280.1} APL, did this fire come from Satan?
A: Very interesting fire was it not Eliphaz, I mean MM? Their cloths were intact. Amazing fire indeed! I assume you believe the "amazing fire" came from God in the Most Holy Place. I doubt you believe it came from Satan in the Most Holy Place. Although I also doubt you will ever confirm your belief one way or the other. So, if my assumption about your belief is true - You believe "amazing fire" came from God in the Most Holy Place and somehow caused the deaths of Nadab and Abihu. However, I suspect you believe the "amazing fire" somehow allowed sin to cause their deaths. Naturally, then, it makes me wonder - What do you believe about fire and the cause of death in the following stories: Genesis
19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
19:25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.
19:26 But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt. (By the way, what caused her to become a pillar of salt?)
Luke
17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed [them] all.
Leviticus
9:24 And there came a fire out from before the LORD, and consumed upon the altar the burnt offering and the fat: [which] when all the people saw, they shouted, and fell on their faces.
Numbers
11:1 And [when] the people complained, it displeased the LORD: and the LORD heard [it]; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed [them that were] in the uttermost parts of the camp.
11:2 And the people cried unto Moses; and when Moses prayed unto the LORD, the fire was quenched.
11:3 And he called the name of the place Taberah: because the fire of the LORD burnt among them.
Numbers
16:33 They, and all that [appertained] to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation. (By the way, what caused the ground to open up and crush them alive?)
16:34 And all Israel that [were] round about them fled at the cry of them: for they said, Lest the earth swallow us up [also].
16:35 And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense.
1 Kings
18:38 Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that [was] in the trench.
18:39 And when all the people saw [it], they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he [is] the God; the LORD, he [is] the God.
18:40 And Elijah said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape. And they took them: and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there. (By the way, what caused the prophets of Baal to die?)
2 Kings
1:10 And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I [be] a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.
1:11 Again also he sent unto him another captain of fifty with his fifty. And he answered and said unto him, O man of God, thus hath the king said, Come down quickly.
1:12 And Elijah answered and said unto them, If I [be] a man of God, let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And the fire of God came down from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.
1:13 And he sent again a captain of the third fifty with his fifty. And the third captain of fifty went up, and came and fell on his knees before Elijah, and besought him, and said unto him, O man of God, I pray thee, let my life, and the life of these fifty thy servants, be precious in thy sight.
1:14 Behold, there came fire down from heaven, and burnt up the two captains of the former fifties with their fifties: therefore let my life now be precious in thy sight. So, what do you believe about fire and the cause of death in the stories posted above? I am pretty certain you are not going to answer my question or attempt to explain the stories. Most likely you will post the Ministry of Healing quote that says - "Sickness, suffering, and death are work of an antagonistic power. Satan is the destroyer; God is the Restorer." However, this quote does not explain the fire or the cause of death. You believe sin is what causes sinners to suffer and die. But that doesn't explain the fire or what part it played (if any) in the deaths quoted above. It would be nice if you explained what you believe about the fire and the cause of death.
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Re: What does it mean to "fear"?
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02/21/15 06:47 PM
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Well, as J.R. said - "I do find it advantageous from time to time." Not all that mocks rocks! "Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee." It's hard to be patient when mocked by . . . (mules).
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Re: What does it mean to "fear"?
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02/21/15 10:03 PM
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There are two roads open for everyone -- only two roads,
1) Come to Christ, for forgiveness, cleansing, and freedom from sin, and enjoy life eternal with Him.
OR
2) Choose to depend on self and do things one's own way spurning Christ's gift of salvation and what He did to save you, and find one's self outside the city of God at the final destruction of sin.
Everything else falls into those to two options.
Class #2 option has many little side roads for the "do it myself" deceptions;
whether that side road is thinking one can perfect or reform themselves, or whether that side road thinks they can continue to actively live outside God's will and still think they are "in Christ". Or whether they don't want anything to do with God -- it's all the same wide road --
Broad is the way that leads to destruction.
Road #1
But narrow is the way that leads to life and few there are that find it. -- That's because there is only one door -- Christ is that door and Christ is the way, Christ is everything on that narrow path, and self is surrender to Him. It is only because of His death and resurrection that we can be justified, it is only as we surrender to His will and walk with Him daily, hourly that we are changed to reflect His character traits. It is ONLY in Christ that there is salvation.
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Re: What does it mean to "fear"?
[Re: Mountain Man]
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02/21/15 10:54 PM
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So sorry my friend MM for your surface reading and comments. I realize I may have hurt your feelings, which if I did--my apologizes.
If you'll attentively notice I was responding to DED's post , of which no Scripture was used, only private interpretations.
So your words "This is like an atheist posting on a Christian forum - Let's look at the scientific facts, not the Bible." have zero semblance of truth. Be careful my friend as we are strictly told in Isaiah to be truthful and no part of deception should come into our lips (or in this case--typing our words)
"For He said, "Surely they are My people, children who will not lie. So He became their Savior." (Isaiah 63:8)
Lastly, do you agree that these BIBLICAL/SOP quotes have much to do with our salvation?
There are three ways in which the Lord reveals His will to us, to guide us, and to fit us to guide others. How may we know His voice from that of a stranger? How shall we distinguish it from the voice of a false shepherd?
God reveals His will to us in His word, the Holy Scriptures. His voice is also revealed in His providential workings; and it will be recognized if we do not separate our souls from Him by walking in our own ways, doing according to our own wills, and following the promptings of an unsanctified heart, until the senses have become so confused that eternal things are not discerned, and the voice of Satan is so disguised that it is accepted as the voice of God." (Testimonies, vol. 5, p.512)
"Not one of us will ever receive the seal of God while our characters have one spot or stain upon them.It is left with us to remedy the defects in our characters, to cleanse the soul temple of every defilement.Then the latter rain will fall upon us as the early rain fell upon the disciples on the Day of Pentecost." (Testimonies, vol. 5, p.214)
"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries." (Hebrews 10:26-27)
"The work of Christ's servants is not merely to preach the truth; they are to watch for souls..They are to reprove, rebuke, exhort with long-suffering and doctrine." (5 T, p.237)
"Unfaithful watchmen hindered the progress of the work of God. As the people were roused, and began to inquire the way of salvation, these leaders stepped in between them and truth, seeking to quiet their fears.." (4 SP, p.2226)
"Those who rise up against warning and reproof, and seek by their jests, their smart speeches, or their deceptions, to make of no effect the plain words of reproof prompted by the Spirit of God, will find, in the great day of final reckoning, an account against them which they will not wish to meet." ( ST, 10-4-1883)
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Re: What does it mean to "fear"?
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02/22/15 01:14 AM
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If you'll attentively notice I was responding to DED's post , of which no Scripture was used, only private interpretations. Oops! My bad. I misread it.
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Re: What does it mean to "fear"?
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02/22/15 03:01 AM
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If you'll attentively notice I was responding to DED's post , of which no Scripture was used, only private interpretations.
There was scripture, just not referenced. There are ONLY two paths -- ONLY TWO classes and that is scriptural. There are NOT three or four or more. As we see below: Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leads to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads unto life, and few there be that find it.
7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Acts 4:10-12 By the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by him does this man stand here before you whole. ....Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. But is GLL saying there are other classes and other ways? Is he saying there are more ways to eternal life? Not just: 1. come to Christ and His saving power or
2. walk down on the road that leads to destruction? What then is GLL's third option???? -- Is it to perfect yourselves in our own strength and thus get to enjoy a supposedly earthly "peaceful" kingdom over there in Palestine with a human "antitypical David" as king and have all nations flowing to you for salvation -- all prior to the actual second coming of Christ? My option #1 (which is Biblical) includes Christ's cleansing, transforming power, walking with Him in the paths of righteousness, and preparing us to welcome Christ at His second coming and go live in the NEW JERUSALEM -- the heavenly city with Christ forever. GLL tries to make a case that I'm teaching sin doesn't need to be put away -- which is a false accusation on his part. Those who don't come to Christ for forgiveness and cleansing, and don't, through the promptings and power of Holy Spirit, forsake sin, will be in group #2 not in group #1.
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