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Irrefutible evidence for all TEN Commandments remaining #172027
02/23/15 11:16 PM
02/23/15 11:16 PM
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Some times it is easy for some Christians groups affirm the TEN Commandments in general without realizing that the 4th commandment is one of them. But not so with D.L. Moody.

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one pro-sunday scholar puts it this way when it comes to the 4th commandment.

D.L. Moody notices that some are opposed to the Sabbath Commandment - but notice how this sermon on the TEN Commandments also fits the summary of 7 points listed here on page 1??


BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY
The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17
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The Fourth Commandment
Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.

THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place.
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)
It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes;

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Thoughts?

Re: Irrefutible evidence for all TEN Commandments remaining [Re: Bobryan] #172028
02/23/15 11:26 PM
02/23/15 11:26 PM
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New Covenant “With the house of Israel” – and so for ALL the saints. Just as command not to worship false gods in Ex 20 – given to Israel freed slaves from Egypt – and also for all mankind.

Jer 31:
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Heb 8
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Ex 20
And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Re: Irrefutible evidence for all TEN Commandments remaining [Re: Bobryan] #172029
02/24/15 12:12 AM
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So...Just what is the statement under discussion?


"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
Re: Irrefutible evidence for all TEN Commandments remaining [Re: Bobryan] #172030
02/24/15 01:14 AM
02/24/15 01:14 AM
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Yes, all ten commandments remain. Not one has been changed or eliminated. The transition from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant did not abolish the ten commandments. Instead, it explains how to live in harmony with them.

Re: Irrefutible evidence for all TEN Commandments remaining [Re: Mountain Man] #172041
02/24/15 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Yes, all ten commandments remain. Not one has been changed or eliminated. The transition from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant did not abolish the ten commandments. Instead, it explains how to live in harmony with them.
Curious comment, given our discussion regarding Old Covenant/New Covenant.


"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
Re: Irrefutible evidence for all TEN Commandments remaining [Re: Bobryan] #172042
02/24/15 03:06 PM
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Did I say something different about the covenant's?

Re: Irrefutible evidence for all TEN Commandments remaining [Re: Bobryan] #172043
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I'm waiting for the irrefutable evidence.

Re: Irrefutible evidence for all TEN Commandments remaining [Re: Bobryan] #172045
02/24/15 03:32 PM
02/24/15 03:32 PM
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The ten commandments outline sin.

Romans 7:7 I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Romans 3:3 by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Jesus magnified the law, He did not abolish it.

Isaiah 42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Humans tend to diminish God's law, but Jesus magnified it.
We see this in Matt. 5.
Thou shalt not kill; isn't JUST the actual act, Jesus magnifying glass shows that command includes the attitude in the heart -- hate is already transgressing that law.
Thou shalt not commit adultery, is shown to include the impure fantasies of the mind.

The new covenant does not do away with the law, it contains God's promises of forgiveness for sins confessed and repented of, and that the law will be engraved upon our hearts and minds that we will walk in God's will and His love will be in our hearts.

Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Ez 11:20 and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
11:20 That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.

Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

10:26 But if we continue in sin after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.



Christ did not do away with that which defines sin.
He came to bring salvation FROM sin.

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Re: Irrefutible evidence for all TEN Commandments remaining [Re: Bobryan] #172047
02/24/15 03:59 PM
02/24/15 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted By: Bobryan

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes;

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Thoughts?

Indeed, when the Seventh-day Adventist Church gives up the 7th day Sabbath, it has lost all it's reason for being. It has lost the three angel's message which is the last warning for the world.

Revelation 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: (sanctuary message) and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. (Sabbath message)

14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen (don't look to other churches as your example, they have rejected God's commandments)

14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God,

14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: (God's people) here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (They walk with Christ and have His faith, and keep God's commandments)

Re: Irrefutible evidence for all TEN Commandments remaining [Re: Bobryan] #172048
02/24/15 04:35 PM
02/24/15 04:35 PM
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Dwight Moody was a Sunday keeper. During the Puritan era, Sunday was called the Sabbath and given all the support the Bible gives to the 7th day.
Moody's sermons on the commandments are good. I don't know what his exposure to the Sabbath truth was or how he responded to that.

When the Seventh-day Adventist church became a voice in the Christian world, the challenge as to God's true Sabbath became very pronounced. While this was already evident in earlier years (there were Seventh-day Baptists) yet Adventist were unique in seeing the Sabbath message (God's Sabbath) in the three angels' message which gave it an importance not seen before.

Rather than accepting God's true Sabbath the churches have resorted to doing away with God's law -- yet they don't really believe this themselves,(as we see in their desire to post those commandments in public places, and have "commandment day" etc. ) but since those commandments include Saturday as the Sabbath, they will have the whole nailed to the cross, as their excuse to transgress the fourth.

The time is coming, however, and is now already being pushed, when the Sabbath commandment will be invoked to enforce Sunday as "vital for the whole country".
If you have read Pope John Paul II's Sunday encyclical you will know he has dressed up Sunday in all the Biblical Sabbath clothes.

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