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Re: Human Nature, Neuroscience, and the Soul
[Re: Daryl]
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04/11/15 01:55 AM
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The speaker agrees with SDA writers of EGW's time in that Christ's spiritual body is a REAL body. That which is spiritual, is REAL. And the BODY is what is what is raised in the resurrection. It is the redemption of the BODY that is sought. He speaks of the human as a unity, not a body and separate soul. Also from science that out "spirituality" is real and physical. Thoughts and emotions can be triggered by stimuli to the brain. To me, this has interesting implication for what Sin really is! Christ came to do what? Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
To what? "condemn sin in the flesh".
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Human Nature, Neuroscience, and the Soul
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04/11/15 04:16 PM
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If someone died long ago, e.g. Adam, would it be unreasonable to think that some of the atoms from his body might have been recycled into other people's bodies all these millennia later? Who gets those atoms in the resurrection?
And our bodies are constantly swapping out atoms and molecules. Is the discarded material part of our body? If not, how can you still be you if your body is not composed of the same cells? Perhaps we have a quality that transcends physical elements.
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Human Nature, Neuroscience, and the Soul
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04/11/15 05:14 PM
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It is the pattern. It is not the exact same elements of matter that is relevant. It is the pattern in which the elements are put together. Where is this pattern written down?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Human Nature, Neuroscience, and the Soul
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04/17/15 03:05 AM
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I found it to be a very interesting presentation coming from a non-SDA.
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Re: Human Nature, Neuroscience, and the Soul
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04/18/15 01:32 PM
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I found it to be a very interesting presentation coming from a non-SDA. And do you not find it interesting the SDAs now want to have some sort of "quality that transcends physical elements" Like there is a separate soul? Mind boggling really...
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Human Nature, Neuroscience, and the Soul
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05/24/15 09:51 PM
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It is the pattern. It is not the exact same elements of matter that is relevant. It is the pattern in which the elements are put together. Where is this pattern written down? As far as physical science knows, that pattern is in the DNA. But if the constituent molecules and atoms of said DNA has been recycled into other people, where is the pattern stored? Do you think that literal DNA from Adam is literally stored somewhere so that God can put him back together when the time coms? Or might there be another system that can store such patterns, one that does not rely on actual DNA to be kept viable for an indefinite period of time?
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Human Nature, Neuroscience, and the Soul
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And do you not find it interesting the SDAs now want to have some sort of "quality that transcends physical elements" Like there is a separate soul? Mind boggling really... Do you think that if man had the skill to assemble the necessary atoms correctly, we could create a living being? I don't. I think there is something about the "Breath of Lives" that mere creatures cannot replicate. But if some think that they can be like the Most High, they won't be the first. What should boggle the mind is that professed Christians still fall for this ancient heresy.
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Human Nature, Neuroscience, and the Soul
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05/25/15 03:40 AM
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It is the pattern. It is not the exact same elements of matter that is relevant. It is the pattern in which the elements are put together. Where is this pattern written down? As far as physical science knows, that pattern is in the DNA. But if the constituent molecules and atoms of said DNA has been recycled into other people, where is the pattern stored? Do you think that literal DNA from Adam is literally stored somewhere so that God can put him back together when the time coms? Or might there be another system that can store such patterns, one that does not rely on actual DNA to be kept viable for an indefinite period of time? Again - it is not the literal molecules. It is the pattern. God has the pattern. Ellen White has told us, do you not believe her? Are you a Sadducees?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Human Nature, Neuroscience, and the Soul
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05/27/15 04:40 PM
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It is the pattern. It is not the exact same elements of matter that is relevant. It is the pattern in which the elements are put together. Where is this pattern written down? As far as physical science knows, that pattern is in the DNA. But if the constituent molecules and atoms of said DNA has been recycled into other people, where is the pattern stored? Do you think that literal DNA from Adam is literally stored somewhere so that God can put him back together when the time coms? Or might there be another system that can store such patterns, one that does not rely on actual DNA to be kept viable for an indefinite period of time? Again - it is not the literal molecules. It is the pattern. God has the pattern. Ellen White has told us, do you not believe her? Are you a Sadducees? God has the pattern. Does He have a jar with Adam's DNA floating around in it? Or is it possible that God, who created that DNA in the first place, can recreate it without keeping a physical sample in storage? Is it possible that God can store the pattern without resorting to molecular storage, since He didn't have such a storage system when He made it the first time around? Where is this pattern written down?
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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