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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree? #17367
03/13/06 02:00 PM
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Whether EGW was aware of it I cannot tell, but this is one case where she suffers from a loose reading of her work. The key to understanding this account is to note when the female was first called Eve. Most Christians tend to discuss this story as if she were always called Eve. Fact is that she was only called Eve after the fall. Adam is a reference to both of them because they were both one. The discussion was between the female and the serpent but in that discussion she bound the male as well.

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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree? #17368
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The best way to explain the ST quote Daryl posted is to read it in the larger context of Sister White's understanding as shared all throughout the SOP. She makes it abundantly clear that Adam and Eve were separated when Eve was tempted to eat the forbidden fruit. That's why if Adam had been obedient Jesus would have handled things far differently.

Why do you ask, Daryl?

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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree? #17369
03/13/06 03:52 PM
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MM, the Bible says that Adam was with Eve. Pick your authority.

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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree? #17370
03/13/06 08:07 PM
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Daryl,
No, Adam was not there when Satan spoke through the serpent, but he believed the words of Satan as repeated by Eve:

“Adam was not deceived by the serpent, as was Eve, and it was inexcusable in Adam to rashly transgress God's positive command. Adam was presumptuous because his wife had sinned. He could not see what would become of Eve. He was sad, troubled, and tempted. He listened to Eve's recital of the words of the serpent, and his constancy and integrity began to waver. Doubts arose in his mind in regard to whether God did mean just as He said. He rashly ate the tempting fruit.” {Con 86.1}

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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree? #17371
03/13/06 08:41 PM
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Some versions which don't translate the text as "her husband with her":

So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate; and she also gave some to her husband, and he ate. (RSV)

When the Woman saw that the tree looked like good eating and realized what she would get out of it--she'd know everything!--she took and ate the fruit and then gave some to her husband, and he ate. (The Message)

And when the woman saw that the tree was good (suitable, pleasant) for food and that it was delightful to look at, and a tree to be desired in order to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate; and she gave some also to her husband, and he ate. (Amplified Bible)

The woman saw that the tree was good for food, and pleasing to the eyes, and could fill the desire of making one wise. So she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave some to her husband, and he ate. (New Life Version)

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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree? #17372
03/14/06 02:03 AM
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I looked up a Bible Commentary by Matthew Henry who said the following:

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4. She gave also to her husband with her. It is probable that he was not with her when she was tempted (surely, if he had, he would have interposed to prevent the sin), but came to her when she had eaten, and was prevailed upon by her to eat likewise; for it is easier to learn that which is bad than to teach that which is good. She gave it to him, persuading him with the same arguments that the serpent had used with her, adding this to all the rest, that she herself had eaten of it, and found it so far from being deadly that it was extremely pleasant and grateful. Stolen waters are sweet. She gave it to him, under colour of kindness - she would not eat these delicious morsels alone; but really it was the greatest unkindness she could do him. Or perhaps she gave it to him that, if it should prove hurtful, he might share with her in the misery, which indeed looks strangely unkind, and yet may, without difficulty, be supposed to enter into the heart of one that had eaten forbidden fruit. Note, Those that have themselves done ill are commonly willing to draw in others to do the same. As was the devil, so was Eve, no sooner a sinner than a tempter.

It is interesting to note that this Bible commentator feels that Adam wasn't present during the devil's disguised conversation with Eve.

EGW's comments on this came to the same conclusion with an inspired detailed description of what did happen.

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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree? #17373
03/14/06 01:28 PM
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You guys need to stay in touch with the reality you know. When was the last time you heard the devil speak as he tempted someone else? Why do we come to the unnecessary conclusion that if Adam had been present he would have heard the conversation between the Woman and the serpent? The Bible says he was with her. Now we are being told that Moses was smoking something when he wrote that.

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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree? #17374
03/14/06 01:29 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Mountain Man:
Why do you ask, Daryl?


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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree? #17375
03/14/06 02:42 PM
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Darius, are you an expert in Hebrew? (Maybe you are, I don't know). Daryl has quoted one who is, and that person has interpreted the story as Adam not necessarily being there. So I'm curious as to what basis you are insisting Adam was there? Because some given English translation seems to say so?

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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree? #17376
03/14/06 03:05 PM
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Tom, do you accept what all the "experts" in Hebrew say about the Sabbath? Let's get real. Besides, Matthew Henry was not doing interpretation. He was doing a "it is probable." He quoted the text as saying he was with her but he had a personal opinion that has no rational basis. He erroneously assumed that the temptation took place as an interview. When was the last time you heard the devil tempt someone? Do you think that the people sitting next to you in church are not struggling with temptation right next to you?

The bottom line is that Adam was irrelevant once the Woman ate. (You keep calling her Eve but she was only called Eve after they met with the Creator later.) The Woman and the Man were one so the actions of the one bound the other. This is a truth we seem anxious to discard to our our loss.

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