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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree?
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03/15/06 01:31 AM
03/15/06 01:31 AM
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Quote: posted by DariusHow does the entire story of the Fall place her away from her husband?
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Darius, I think what Daryl is saying is that the entire story presented throughout the Bible makes Lucy have more splainin’ to do if Adam was present with Eve and the serpent. I think MM explained it pretty well earlier.
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| Once again, the Bible says Adam was with Eve in the Garden, but it doesn't say they were together when Satan deceived Eve. Paul makes it clear Adam was not deceived, therefore, it is obvious to me that Adam was not present when Eve ate the fruit. Since he wasn't deceived he obviously ate the fruit intending to share her fate. It makes perfect sense to me. But I realize it doesn't make sense to everybody. Oh well. |
One verse makes it seem like they were together. However, that interpretation doesn’t work all that well with other scripture. Because it really is more ambiguous as to exactly when “with her” was than you admit, it’s not as cut and dried as you make it out to be.
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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree?
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03/15/06 02:02 AM
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When I read the part where God questions both Adam and Eve, and their individual answers, I get the picture that Adam wasn't physically present with Eve during the conversation between the, devil via the serpent, and Eve. quote:
Gen. 3:11 MKJV And He said, Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten of the tree which I commanded you that you should not eat?
12 And the man said, The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate.
13 And Jehovah God said to the woman, What is this you have done? And the woman said, The serpent deceived me, and I ate.
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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree?
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03/15/06 03:03 PM
03/15/06 03:03 PM
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Well, the Hebrew does not actually give a hint of the words "with her." Here is the general dictionary translation for the verse: quote:
The woman saw the tree was good for food; it was pleasant to the eyes, a tree to be desired to make one wise; she took and eat, and gave to man and he eat.
Not pretty I know, but the phrase "with her" is not present. It is placed in there for English translation to make the sentence flow.
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The woman saw that the tree was beautiful, that its fruit was good to eat, and that it would make her wise. So she took some of its fruit and ate it. She also gave some of the fruit to her husband, and he ate it.
Genesis 3:6 NCV
With this, as well as many others, there is not hint of the man being beside the woman at the tree.
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Now think-- be realistic, if Adam were actually by her side while she was talking to the serpent what would have happened?
Compare this to Paul's statement in 1 Tim. 2.14
"And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. "
So if Adam was NOT DECEIVED, that means he knew the serpent was lying. If he were standing there beside Eve, listening to that serpent with her, knowing the serpent was lying, would he have just STOOD there, allowing her to be deceived?
The clause "her husband with her" more realistically means, her husband, who was with her in the garden of Eden.
Gen. 3:17 "Because you listened to the voice of your wife..." Indicates that it wasn't the serpent that beguiled Adam, it was Eve talking him into it. Remember Paul tells us Adam was NOT deceived. He ate that fruit from some other motive.--- He did it because he didn't want to be separated from his wife.
The logic is fully on EGW's side.
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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree?
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03/16/06 04:04 AM
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Originally posted by Darius:
When was the last time you heard the devil tempt someone?
I'm sure it is not the last time I heard of it, but here is an example of a verbal temptation.
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The devil came to Jesus to tempt him, saying, "If you are the Son of God, tell these rocks to become bread." Jesus answered, "It is written in the Scriptures, 'A person does not live by eating only bread, but by everything God says.'" Then the devil led Jesus to the holy city of Jerusalem and put him on a high place of the Temple. The devil said, "If you are the Son of God, jump down, because it is written in the Scriptures: 'He has put his angels in charge of you. They will catch you in their hands so that you will not hit your foot on a rock.'" Jesus answered him, "It also says in the Scriptures, 'Do not test the Lord your God.'" Then the devil led Jesus to the top of a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and all their splendor. The devil said, "If you will bow down and worship me, I will give you all these things." Jesus said to the devil, "Go away from me, Satan! It is written in the Scriptures, 'You must worship the Lord your God and serve only him.'" So the devil left Jesus, and angels came and took care of him.
Matthew 4:3 - 11 NCV
And if we are to be literal about the Genesis account, then this must have been a verbal temptation.
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Now the snake was the most clever of all the wild animals the Lord God had made. One day the snake said to the woman, "Did God really say that you must not eat fruit from any tree in the garden?" The woman answered the snake, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden. But God told us, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden. You must not even touch it, or you will die.'" But the snake said to the woman, "You will not die. God knows that if you eat the fruit from that tree, you will learn about good and evil and you will be like God!"
Genesis 3:1 - 5 NCV
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