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Re: Lesson Study #1 - The Personality & Divinity of the HOLY SPIRIT
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03/27/06 01:51 AM
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Dear Daryl:
The term "us" means more than one. It could mean two or one trillion.
My Bible says: "Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit snd rule upon his throne, and he shall be a priest upon his throne; and the counsel of peace shall be between them both."
How many sit on the throne? ?
The counsel of peace shall be between how many?
My Bible says: "And he shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon." Matthew 23:22
"And immediately I was in the spirit, and behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne." Revelation 4:2
"And he cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb." Revelation 7:10
"Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the Majesty in the heavens."
Hebrews 8:1
"Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him enduteth the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God." Hebrews 12:2
How many sit on the throne of God?
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Re: Lesson Study #1 - The Personality & Divinity of the HOLY SPIRIT
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03/27/06 02:00 AM
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Originally posted by Daryl quote:
Jesus referred to Himself as the I AM, a title reserved for Jehovah God.
Jesus, therefore, is none other than Jehovah God.
Yes, the plurality of divine persons isn't in question, and the divine name is the divine name, expressed by Jesus as the manifestation of the Godhead to us.
What is wrong is the idea of a triune divine nature, where the three divine persons make up the divine nature: The EGW quote on Sunday's section reputes that completely.
The divinity of Jesus alongside his Father and their Spirit isn't in doubt, thank you.
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Re: Lesson Study #1 - The Personality & Divinity of the HOLY SPIRIT
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03/27/06 02:20 AM
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Originally posted by Dr.Glenn:
Dear Daryl:
My Bible says: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and the Word was God."
In this context, the term "the God" in the second sentence denotes a noun. The term "God" in the third sentence denotes a verb.
Furthermore it describes a sequence of events over time.
That's not true in my understanding of Greek: "God" in the middle clause has grammatically an absolute sense, while "God" in the last clause has grammatically a qualitative sense. IOW, the Word is qualitatively divine but not the divine person possessing absolute divinity, which the God has whom the Word is with.
Where do you get any sequence of events from that sentence?
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Re: Lesson Study #1 - The Personality & Divinity of the HOLY SPIRIT
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Originally posted by Dr.Glenn:
Dear Colin:
First event: "In the beginning was the Word"
Second event: "and the Word was with the God"
Third event: "and the Word was God".
That's not clearly a sequence in time, but the word order in the sentence describing a state of existence involving God and the Word. Later in the chapter the Word is described as begotten of God, so the Word didn't precede God as "in the beginning was the Word" intimates in the sense of a sequential event.
Jn 1:1 just describes the existence as persons of God and his Word. 'Eternity' isn't even discussed as a condition for that existence. Yes, I reject the co-existence theory, which completely rejects the teaching that the Word/Son of God was begotten of the Father before creation began. Jn 1:1 just states that the Word and God are both divine persons.
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Re: Lesson Study #1 - The Personality & Divinity of the HOLY SPIRIT
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Monday's section (it's Monday, where I am!) is God the Holy Spirit: Part 1 and has this before the texts are listed denoting the Spirit's divine activities and authority quote:
Most people don't have a problem with the idea of the Father as God. After all, God is who the Father is. Even the idea of Jesus as God, as a fully Divine Being manifest in human form, though somewhat difficult to grasp, is, nevertheless, comprehensible. After all, an all-powerful God should be able to manifest Himself in human flesh if He so chooses to, right?
For many people, however, the concept of the Holy Spirit Himself as God is a much more difficult concept. It's much easier to think of the Holy Spirit not as God Himself but as some sort of impersonal force, some divine energy and power, such as gravity, that comes from God and pervades the world.
Yet, the Bible is clear that the Holy Spirit is Divine; that is, the Holy Spirit, just as the Father and as the Son, is one of the divine Personages of the Godhead.
The divinity of the Holy Spirit is, thank God, not in doubt for any on this forum - to my knowledge(?). Only proviso I would add is that the lesson generally omitted to join the Spirit's personality to its pure power, having asserted that it isn't just a power & influence. They can't assert his personality and simultaneously forget about its pure, divine power: hence the Spirit is both it and he.
I would suggest, though, that there are 2 problems with the lesson text excerpted above. Firstly, "God the Holy Spirit" - in the heading - isn't reliably Biblical: only "God the Father" is soundly & explicitly Biblical...a shared divinity among three persons, only two of whom have bodies, is difficult enough without mudding the water by formally entitling the others as "God the..." when both other divine persons have the inspired titles "Son of God" and "Spirit of God". A false impression is given and taught that the divine nature has to consist of all three individual persons rather than each of the three rightly possessing divine nature, a nature physically defined by God the Father and given by him to his Son and possessed also by their Spirit - the Spirit is "Jesus'" and "God's" in the Bible. "God the Holy Spirit" is a trinitarian formula which has dangerous affects on understanding the nature of God.
Secondly, this sentence quote:
After all, an all-powerful God should be able to manifest Himself in human flesh if He so chooses to, right?
is potentially totally inadequate even basically to distinguish between Jesus and God his Father as to who was incarnated. Hopefully Jesus' separate divine existence with his Father is even implicit in the previous sentence!...it is palpably taken for granted. ![[Roll Eyes]](images/icons/rolleyes.gif)
That's enough for discussion to occupy us for the next three days. I think: the lesson material for Tuesday and Wednesday only really repeats today's points. But feel free, if you wish, of course.
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Re: Lesson Study #1 - The Personality & Divinity of the HOLY SPIRIT
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03/27/06 11:04 AM
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If a person does not accept that the Holy Spirit is "God the Holy Spirit" and another God separate from the Father, is he guilty of blasphemy?
Would that be 'another divine personality' separate from the Father or a 'second god'? Basically I don't understand misconceiving the divine nature of the personalities of the Godhead to be blasphemy - ie. different views of how and who is God, but using their names in vain is ordinary blasphemy while the Spirit's work mustn't be consciously alleged to be the Devil's work - such allegation is blasphemy against the Spirit.
What do you mean by your alternatives on the Spirit, though?
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