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Re: Lesson Study #1 - The Personality & Divinity o
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04/04/06 02:28 AM
04/04/06 02:28 AM
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We really need to keep the role functions of them in mind when we look at each of them. Doing that answers questions that would otherwise not be answered.
There certainly are appreciable roles, and they complement each other, but those roles may not preclude the roles themselves being natural as opposed to voluntary. Natural as in the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit come in Jesus' name to lead us into all truth, including what the disciples weren't ready to hear, rather than the Holy Spirit picking that role rather than picking the 'Saviour-role' which the Son picked instead, but which the Father could have chosen. Equally, the very titles Father, Son and Holy Spirit are natural titles, or are they also chosen titles?
The teaching from our scholars is that the trinity has no personal links and that their very titles are chosen and not literal - despite nearly 2000 of Christian understanding that they are literal - the Son begotten and the Spirit proceeding. Roles resulting from chosen titles should not be the final answer to who the Holy Spirit is, especially while the ordinary understanding of Biblical words is being rejected for unconvincing reasons.
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Two points about understanding the Holy Spirit where made during the discussion in church.
First, that the descriptions we have is humans trying to explain what is inexplaineble in human languages. "Spirit" is the word used becourse our languages have no other word that would better describe it.
Secoundly that we must be open to the questions becourse if we shy away from hard questions youth and other groups around church will shy away from us. (This was in response to several persons who asked why we where discussing these questions at all)
God can't be so high above us that he would leave us with a misunderstanding about his nature and personality, given our finite understanding: trinitarian insistance on mystery is avoiding what is revealed!
Yes, we may not avoid the questions about identifying the Holy Spirit - we must equally avoid pandering to unholy spirits! Since Jesus prayed that we be one with him as he is one with his/our Father, the Holy Spirit does between us and Jesus what it does between Jesus and his Father...
He leads us to Jesus away from sinfulness, in the name of Jesus, being Jesus' Spirit, while supporting and facilitating the holy harmony between God and his Son, as their, divine Spirit. Is not the Spirit's personality Jesus' personal instructions to us through his Spirit, while between God and Jesus is there a personal function for the Spirit? - harmony has always been perfect between them, so the Spirit only has divine power to exercise in creation; otherwise the Spirit is an unknown within the Godhead.
To us the Spirit is the power of divine grace in the name and presence of Jesus with us, helping us participate in all the fulness of the Godhead by indwelling us: the Spirit creates divine unity among God's people just as God and his Son are one.
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