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APL said:

"And as to be on thread, you continue to miss what Ellen White wrote about "God's Anger" and the Sabbath. You say, "God will be VERY angry when the civil and religious authorities unite to legislate Sunday laws." But what is the truth? God is angry with those who pursue a course to make the world hate them. If a Christian is hated because ... he does not take a course to be loved, hated because of his uncultivated manners and because he makes the truth a matter of quarrel with his neighbors, and takes a course to make the Sabbath as annoying as possible to them, he is a stumbling block to sinners, a reproach to the sacred truth, and unless he repents it were better for him that a millstone were hung about his neck and he were cast into the sea. {1T 420.1} That should give you pause to reflect."



So what are you saying APL? It is thoughtless and unneighborly to proclaim the Three Angels' Messages?

Don't you think Sister White meant that we should be gentle, loving, and wise in our witnessing?

Where did you learn to interpret the Spirit of Prophesy, at a Jesuit university??

imminent == about to happen, near at hand.

Imminent implies - don't put your head in the sand thinking it's a long way off.

Now is the time to speak up and warn against the trend back to Rome -- before it is too late and the freedom of speech and worship is taken away.

1st quote: "God will be VERY angry when the civil and religious authorities unite to legislate Sunday laws."

Quote reinterpreted to say: "God is VERY angry because some people are worshiping Him on Sundays instead of Saturdays"

Those two statements aren't even remotely the same. God is not VERY angry because some people are worshipping Him on Sunday. In fact there will be many people in heaven who honestly kept Sunday, thinking it was the right day.

There is a whole different issue involved here.

What is it that calls forth God's wrath as described in the third angel's message?

It is a well planned, thorough, painstakingly carried out infiltration occurring over many decades now, which will result in "an overwhelming surprise" takeover of most of the world by a system that elevates itself into God's place, pretending to be God, setting itself above God's law and authority, changing God's law, and then using civil armies to impose these changed laws on the people. It presents itself as a "savior" bringing peace, when in reality plunging the world into a regime more sinister than any the planet has ever seen.

Through staged chaos, as well as other chaos, they manipulate people into subjection by appealing to their fears and superstition, and by using force and coercion. They will rob those who resist of all the necessities of life, and even life itself-- all the while pretending to be doing God's work!

The devil himself inspires the whole thing in outright, in the face, rebellion against God. He wants the worship due God, so he's set up a counterfeit worship system, and he promises those who do his bidding that they will be as gods.
Sunday has long been an important day in counterfeit worship, while Saturday is linked to creation, and we worship our Creator on that day.
Sunday will be a very prominent link that will link Protestant America to the Catholic system.



The choice will be -- worship and give your allegiance to the system by obeying it's command concerning worship, or worship and obey the One Who created the heavens and the earth and everything therein.

When this deceptive, counterfeit worship system ruthlessly starts stamping out all opposition -- with special hate hurled against God's loyal people, yes -- God will tear away their pious front, vindicate His law and deliver His people.

The 3AM is misrepresented as saying God will inflict pain and suffering when God will do no such thing. It is Satan's who wants us to view God with his (Satan's) character. Sin is an evil thing, not God. The judgments of God do not come out from Him. He is not the executioner. If you believe otherwise, then the Jesuits have fooled you.

Then stop, I have not problem with YOU stopping. Have I ever said God is a pushover? Nope. But God is also not a murderer. The 10C are a transcript of His character. Reaping what you sow does not mean that it is God executing you. Sin pays its wage, death. God is NOT the executioner. Read Great Controversy pages 35-37. Did Jerusalem suffer punishment for sin? You bet! Was God the executioner? Nope.

Then don't reject the truth, it is hard to see people not see God for what he really is. It causes me grief.

First, you don't quote from the Bible at all. Secondly, from the Bible, we see that God was VERY angry with the Jews. Legally, they were very strict about the Sabbath. Are you saying then that God hates BOTH those who love worshiping Him on Saturday AND those who do on Sunday?

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Have you read the third angel's message recently? It is found in Revelation 14:9-12. These verses are IMPORTANT.



The text does NOT say people will be tormented by Satan. It tells me that they will suffer the wrath "of God." God has wrath. It is reserved for that final punishment of sin and sinners, including Satan himself. Satan will not be wrathful against himself and wish to destroy himself. No, no. Satan will be trying to war against God, of a natural desire toward self-preservation. God, however, will win the battle.

Praise God! And tell the world the truth!

Green Cochoa.

Diverting and building a strawman --



Bringing the argument to the real problem




James Peterson ignores the context and builds further on his straw man version



So one can see he totally failed to address the argument or the issue presented, only reverted back to his own straw man quote which he built into a larger straw man quote. And shot some more at his own enlarged straw man statement which he himself constructed.

The Biblical passages addressing this persecuting system under discussion, that will FORCE and PERSECUTE God's commandment keeping people who worship "Him who made heaven and earth" is found in Revelation 12:17, Revelation 13 and Revelation 14.

Read it for yourself.

Too bad this thread has turned into another "does God do it or is it the revelation of what sin does.

Personally, I believe MOST of the terrible end time happenings will be showing the terrible results that happen when God's laws are rejected and evil is totally unrestrained.
God's Holy Spirit is fully withdrawn from the earth and evil is allowed to fully manifest itself, and the result is UTTER RUIN, all the "peace and love" promised by the system is seen to result in only terror and hate and ruthless persecution.

Yet, God is still with HIS loyal people, and HE will deliver them with His own awesome intervention. The earth is not allowed to destroy itself with God's people on it. God DELIVERS HIS PEOPLE with His own manifestation of power and vindication of His law, which brings all the evil (which would only have prolonged the utter misery) to a sudden and very decisive end