Your silence obviously says the answer is no -- thus the law is the whole Pentateuch which includes Feasts Sabbaths, yearly Sabbath, and the Jubilee Sabbath. We are to understand the Sabbath with the whole law not just a narrow portion of it.

Since, Passover commemorates the firstborn of Israel being saved from death in Egypt, it is difficult to fathom how such a feast could exist before humanity sinned?

My understanding is all the laws(Pentateuch) describes the ways of the Lord (His character) -- Isn't He the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow? It beats me how anyone in our Church would believe that the law only existed after the Exodus????

Doesn't the Bible tell us that Jesus was slain before the foundation of the earth? Doesn't this show that the Lord had a plan already in place before He created Man?

Just because it was given to Moses very explicitly and was commanded to write these down (as opposed to the pre-passing down verbally the knowledge of the Lord to their children)...doesn't mean that the law didn’t exist previously to Moses.

We read in Exodus 18:20 (before the 10Cs and judgments were given) that Moses was already teaching the people the Lord’s laws, and ordinances. “AV Ex 18:20 “And thou shalt teach them ordinances and laws, and shalt shew them the way wherein they must walk, and the work that they must do.” So Moses already had some pre-knowledge of some laws and judgments before the Sinai event in Exodus 19-23.

If we are to do a study, we would see the Lord applying laws and judgments throughout history before the Exodus.

It is true that the Lord commanded Israel to keep the Passover that commemorated the Exodus, but there were sacrifices before the Exodus that pointed forward to Christ's death(=passover).

At the Exodus it was a corporate(the Church in the Wilderness) Passover experience; whereas before the Exodus individuals like Abraham, Isaac and Jacob had experienced personally and gone thru the Passover(spiritual birth), Pentecost(hearing the Lord's voice and learning obedience), and the Tabernacle(overcame, ceased their own words and entered the Lord's rest) experience.

Also other sacrificial services and rituals were practiced by the Patriarch before the laws was given.

My understanding is all the laws(Pentateuch) describes the ways of the Lord (His character) -- Isn't He the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow? It beats me how anyone in our Church would believe that the law only existed after the Exodus????

Elle, there were sacrifices after the Exodus that pointed forward to Christ's death which was NOT Passover.


Could this be why?
There are many who try to blend these two systems, using the texts that speak of the ceremonial law to prove that the moral law has been abolished; but this is a perversion of the Scriptures. The distinction between the two systems is broad and clear. The ceremonial system was made up of symbols pointing to Christ, to His sacrifice and His priesthood. This ritual law, with its sacrifices and ordinances, was to be performed by the Hebrews until type met antitype in the death of Christ, the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world. Then all the sacrificial offerings were to cease. It is this law that Christ "took . . . out of the way, nailing it to His cross." Colossians 2:14. But concerning the law of Ten Commandments the psalmist declares, "Forever, O Lord, Thy word is settled in heaven." Psalm 119:89. And Christ Himself says, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law. . . . Verily I say unto you"--making the assertion as emphatic as possible--"Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Matthew 5:17, 18. Here He teaches, not merely what the claims of God's law had been, and were then, but that these claims should hold as long as the heavens and the earth remain. The law of God is as immutable as His throne. It will maintain its claims upon mankind in all ages. {PP 365.1}

And that's why you wish to deny her?

Elle, that is quite the strawman argument you have constructed.
Jesus is indeed "the Lamb slain FROM the foundation of the world."
God's foreknowledge of the need for a sacrifice for sin hardly equates to Passover
being instituted in Eden!

In any case, how exactly does the existence of ceremonial, civil, or any other law previous to Moses, alter or negate the Ten Commandments?

Let's look at a few facts that show how God views His Ten Commandments as opposed to the ceremonial laws:

The Ten Commandments - Written by the finger of God TWICE!

The Ceremonial Law - Written by Moses once.

The Ten Commandments - Placed inside of the Ark of the Covenant!

The Ceremonial Law - Placed on the outside of the Ark of the Covenant.

The Ten Commandments - Rested directly beneath the Mercy Seat, the very foundation of the Throne of God!

The Ceremonial Law - Rested on the outside of the Mercy Seat, beside the Throne of God.

The Ten Commandments - never to be destroyed, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from. Matthew 5: 17-18


The Ceremonial Law - Handwriting of ordinances blotted out and nailed to the Cross. Colossians 2:14


The Bible is absolutely clear. God considers His Ten Commandments to be holy and separate, the measure of His eternal character, the very foundation of His throne.

There can be no meaningful comparison between the two. The ceremonial laws are merely a means of dealing with the transgression of humanity against God's sacred Ten Commandments. To suggest that the shadow changes the substance is ridiculous.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

What "ordinances" were nailed to the cross?

New International Version
having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.

New Living Translation
He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross.

English Standard Version
by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

New American Standard Bible
having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
He erased the certificate of debt, with its obligations, that was against us and opposed to us, and has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the cross.

International Standard Version
having erased the charges that were brought against us, along with their obligations that were hostile to us. He took those charges away when he nailed them to the cross.

NET Bible
He has destroyed what was against us, a certificate of indebtedness expressed in decrees opposed to us. He has taken it away by nailing it to the cross.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And he has blotted out by his authority the bill of our debts which was adverse to us and he took it from the midst and nailed it to his cross.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
He did this by erasing the charges that were brought against us by the written laws God had established. He took the charges away by nailing them to the cross.

Jubilee Bible 2000
blotting out the bill of the decrees that was against us, which was contrary to us and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross {Gr. stauro – stake},

American Standard Version
having blotted out the bond written in ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us: and he hath taken it out that way, nailing it to the cross;

Douay-Rheims Bible
Blotting out the handwriting of the decree that was against us, which was contrary to us. And he hath taken the same out of the way, fastening it to the cross:

Weymouth New Testament
The bond, with its requirements, which was in force against us and was hostile to us, He cancelled, and cleared it out of the way, nailing it to His Cross.