Have any of you watched the following video, especially the first portion of it pertaining to 2017?

I scanned this up to the 48 minute mark. Interesting info - the convergence of expectations in 2017 - the Jubilee by the Pope, the fulfillment of the medieval Rabbis' prophecy, the 500th anniversary of the Reformation, the 100th anniversary of the Fatima apparition of Mary.

Regarding the Jubilee, what Pastor Walter didn't mention is that many Evangelicals and Jews believe the Jubilee began last fall, 2015 on the Day of Atonement. There is scriptural support for this. The Evengelicals generally rely on modern events in Israel to support their view but they have scriptural support they aren't aware of.

So the bottom line for me is that if this is in fact the 'acceptable year of the Lord and the day of vengeance of our God' there will be no mistaking it between now and next fall. Personally, I'm seeing confirmation already that this is the year the Jubilee trumpet is sounding, but like I said, if this is really the case, there will be no mistaking it by the fall. Ellen White speaks of an overwhelming surprise, which is not the second coming but is some kind of physical and spiritual shaking on a scale that has never been witnessed before. Since Isaiah pictures the Jubilee as a year of both great grace and great judgment (See Is 61:1-3) perhaps this is the year we will be "surprised".

I went thru it all. It was long and it was hard to bear all the criticism of Lutheran's and Catholic's doctrines. As far as I have seen via studies, all denominations(including SDAs) are BLIND. That's what Jesus said to us about the Laodicean Church. It's sad the SDA Church is arrogant in taking a stand of knowing truth. I guess that's the mark of the Laodicean Church, they don't know they are blind.



Something worth pointing out concerning these 3 events Mark mentions above that their prophetic timeline shows these emerging on 2017.

On the 40min mark with Judah Ben Samuel who they claim was an ex-Jew who was an expert on the Jubilee law and have made these prediction. The irony of it all -- he's not much of an expert at all for he constructed his timeline counting 50 years for a Jubilee cycle when he should of counted 49 years. I mean that's knowledge you learn in Jubilee 101.

The 50th year and the 1st year is the same year. So his timeline of 10 Jubilee cycles is 500 years instead of being 490 years(=70 weeks of 7 years) that we see in Daniel. That tells us a lot of his level of expertise. His timeline doesn’t hold water.

Walter mist that.

Concerning the date of 2017, despite of their faulty timellne and trying to show these 3 events emerge on 2017 and prophecising of a coming Jubilee in 2017 -- the date 2017 is still an important date and I think there is potentially will be a Jubilee type on that year. Nothing to do with the events they have attached to it; but the event the Lord has put into it to be the end of the CABAL(Mystery Babylon) Empire ruling. It appears that by 2017 Mystery Babylon's system will be destroyed (see Post#161945) and 2017 will end the Israelites captivity period of 7 times(7x 360 = 2520 years). So based on that, I'm expecting that there will be a type of Jubilee in 2017 resulting from the collapse of Mystery Babylon.

I think by now the Cabals knows that they will fall in 2017 (as all the signs is pointing to a soon economic collapse and an increasing world's nation shifting to China and Russia's economic platform since 2012). So the Pope's prophesy put in place is probably based on the info circulating he has by being inside the loop of the Elites circle. So by taking advantage of this inside scoop, this prophesy will give some appearance that the RCC's have a "prophetic eye" and might give the Church a sort of survival standing amid this coming collapse. I think the RCC is trying to save their skin with this Jubilee prophesy. Despite, all denomination (including the RCC) will be shaken to their core as the Lord will have more of His truth emerge as the years progress. So I think this RCC prophesy very interesting by giving us some info what is known inside their Elites circle.

Another thing worth mentioning, is a Jubilee is to be declare on the day of Atonement. The Pope first declared it to be on December 11 2015 (and in that document it was changed to December 8th???). Regardless, neither of these dates were the day of Atonement which was Sept 23. A declaration of the Jubilee happens on the 10th day of the 7th month of the 49th year. The year of Jubilee would role unto the next year which is the 50th year and the 1st year of the next cycle. So technically 2016 should be the Jubilee if it is announced the fall of the 2015 as I think the Pope attempted to do. So I was surprise that they accounted 2017 as the year of Jubilee and not 2016.

Concerning Mark's comment that 2015 being a year of Jubilee (well the 49th year of the cycle) I guess it depends which calendar we are using. Like I mentioned in Mark's "A super Jubilee" discussion(post#177648, that the Jewish Jubilee calendar is off from the Lord's creation calendar. When Israel were to enter the promise land on the 1.5 year they were in the wilderness and believed the 10 evil reports instead of the Joshua and Caleb's good report. -- that day was the day of atonement -- a day of decision. They should of blown the Jubilee trumpet on that day and make that day a day of Jubilation; but instead, because lack of faith they did not and turn that day into a day of sorrow and weeping.

That year was the 50th jubilee cycle from Adam creation, but they did not enter the promise land in that year. The Israelites entered Canaan 38 years later. Their Jubilee Calendar started when they entered Canaan and started counting the 7th year rest year from that year which was something like 11 years off from the creation Jubilee cycle. This is a study that I haven't completed yet, but we need to take that discrepency of these two calendars into account. Then in the 70 weeks from after the captivity there was a 76 years lapse before that count that also affected the Jewish Jubilee calendar versus the Lord's Creation calendar. I believe the Lord made some correction to bring us closer in sync. My understanding we're now only one week off to the Creation calendar. Anyway that's quite a tedious study to take.

Thus, to my understanding the next Creation Jubilee cycle ends (1986 + 49) in 2035. However, the destruction of Mystery Babylon appears to end in 2017 (see Post#161945). So I do expect a Jubilee TYPE of event occuring in 2017 with the freeing of the people from the Babylonian captivity as seen back in the 530s BC with old Babylon. Despite the world will probably experience a type of Jubilee, 2017 is not a Jubilee year.

I would expect the 2nd coming of Christ to happen on a Jubilee year from the Creation Calendar, thus on 2035, but maybe this might be cut short. I do not know the year; but I'm watching what the Lord is doing thru the events He's fulfilling every year and trying to understand what He's revealing to us in these that occurs during His feasts dates and other important watch dates.

Creation calendar. Is it correct?

Elle, what year was Christ born?

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My understanding is Christ was born on the day of Trumpet at the end of September in 2 BC. There's many historical and astrological (?proper word?) cross references that points to that date. Below is just a quick summary but going to the sources and further studies would need to be done to really establish this :

- the date (2 BC) of the decree from Caesar Augustus in which he was celebrating his 25th year since being proclaimed Augustus in 27 BC.

- Astrological events(many conjunctions) mainly around Jupiter that the Magi were observing that started in May 3BC and peaked on Dec 25th 2BC.

- The date of the death of King Herod in January 1BC. Josephus mentioned that their was an lunar eclipse the night Herod burnt alive Matthias and others. Herod was already sick at that time, and he died two weeks after that incidence. The eclipse of Jan 9th 1 BC is the best one that fit this time. Also Josephus tells us that Herod died at the age of 70. This also can be verified with other historical data giving different dates of Herod's political career that confirm that 1BC is the death of Herod and not 4BC (this view came from a commentary mistake some scholar had put in Josephus writings saying that the lunar eclipse happened on March 4BC.)

- The writings of Tertullian who was a Roman lawyer born in 160 AD who was a Christian. He commented on the birth of Jesus in his book "An answer to the Jews" in relevance to the empire of Augustus(41st year) and the death of Cleopatra(28th year after). Both these references further confirms a 2 BC birth date for Jesus.

-Irenaeus and Eusebius (early Church leaders) also dated the birth of Jesus to the 41st year of Augustus.

-the fifteenth year of Tiberius Caesar that confirms when John the Baptist(& Jesus) reached 30 years old that confirms a 2 BC date too.

-Jesus death in 33 AD -- There's no Nisan 14 that falls on a Friday in 31 AD (see post #139915 that list the time & date of moon phases from NASA data for years 30 to 33AD.)

The only way to save the 31 AD is you need to take a position (see discussion) like Rosangela by saying Jesus did not die on Nisan 14th on the day of Passover but on Nisan 15th on the day of unleavened bread. However, the data pointing to Jesus' birth on 2 BC supports a 33 AD death and would further conflicts a 31 AD death.

For sure, we need to check these data much closer. And if these are true and we are found corrected... then its a blessed day for us to realized that we were BLIND. We are all blind -- even me I do recognize that am still very blind. I'm starting to see a tiny bit at a time because its been like 7 years I have recognized my blindness and can more easily put in question what I think I see (understand).

We shouldn't be surprised because Jesus told us that we were blind by describing the Laodicean Church. The day we come to realized that we are blind is the day we can start seeing again (a tiny bit at a time) by relying on Jesus eyesalve. So let's not be afraid to test our understanding nor be bitter at the Church if we find some errors. I see no point in that because it's all part of the Lord's plan to sanctify us and to teach us His ways in His perfect timing.

Frank Fournier, just retired ASI President, (another French Canadian Elle) stated in his final ASI sermon in Spokane last August that the Laodicean message is the Three Angel's Messages. He backed it up with some good arguments. If you can, listen to it on Audioverse under Presenters. It should be one of Frank's most recent messages.

I would be interested in listening to that and see how he connects the two. Tx for mentioning this. Is there a link available to this sermon? I tried to find it but not sure if I found it or not.

The three Fournier Brothers seems to have been gems for the Church. I have only known Robert(& his family) personally years back by being members of the same Church when I was living near Montreal. I have heard his personal witness how the Lord brought him in the Church. It is Robert that brought all of his emmediate family into the Church afterwards. Robert was a humble colporter back in those days.

Are you aware that John Fournier, our Maritime Conference President, is Frank Fournier's brother?

Yes, I am. He's brother #3 ;+) I don't know how many brothers there were in their family; maybe there's more. You must of met Robert Daryl, as wasn't Robert working at the Maritime conference (not as the president, but involve somewhere) also years before John?

Here's an old adventist archive picture(1976) of the baptism of their mom, Robert and his wife. Frank , John and their Sudbury Church pastor are also in the picture. (adventist archive link (go to page 8 of that pdf doc)

I must of not recall Robert's witness correctly for according to this article it appears that it is Frank that brought Robert and his wife and mom into the Church.

They are not from Quebec but from Sudbury Ontario. Sudbury is one of the main French community in Ontario. So sometime after that, Robert must of went to Quebec into the literature ministry.

Sorry for the delay Elle. Here's a link. It's a video so you'll enjoy it even more. Frank is one of my favorite speakers.

https://www.audioverse.org/english/sermons/recordings/7993/go-ye-out-to-meet-him.html

I knew Robert a little from his time at Sudbury and South River where, if I remember right, he worked with Frank for a time at the self-supporting institution started by Drs. Elmira and Nigel Buxton. Robert had a long and fruitful LE career after that and may still be doing it. He made a good "How To" LE video series that you can order I think from Harvest Time but I'm not sure. I think highly of both Frank and Robert and wish I had the privilege of meeting their parents.

Some insights that may be of interest from my ongoing Bible study:

The first angel's message first appeared in Daniel 4
*the hour of judgment came upon the king of Babylon

The second angel's message first appeared in Daniel 5
*Babylon is fallen-- Babylon fell

The third angel's message first appeared in Daniel 6
*Worship God not man made decrees

The three angels' messages were repeated the first time in Rev 14

When the first angel's message repeated in Revelation 14
*the hour of judgment came upon the dead

When the second angel's message repeated in Revelation 14
*papal Babylon is fallen-- papal Babylon had fallen in 1798

When the third angel's message repeated in Revelation 14
*Worship God not man made decrees

When the second angel's message repeated in Revelation 18
*apostate protestant Babylon is fallen (2015) because of her fornications that she was clinging to from papal Babylon that had fallen again in 2013

Clarification: A day with God is as 1000-years. The sin problem is limited to 7000-years. Satan deceives man for 6000-years. Then Satan is in the abyss for 1000-years.

-- a day has 12-hours in the 1000-year context: An hour is 83-years 4-months.

The Judgment of the dead began 22 October 1844 at which time papal Babylon was dead having died Feb 10, 1798.

From the beginning of the Hour of the Judgment of the dead (22 October 1844) 83-years 4-months ended 22 February 1928.

Then began the tarrying time in which papal Babylon was made alive again. Mussolini restored the secular kingdom to pope Pius XI in 1929.


When the second angel's message repeated in Revelation 18 notice that the first angel's message comes after it as a caveat rather than being announced chronologically.

Clarification: When the kingdom was restored to Pius XI, papal Babylon was alive in 1929. On Yom Kippur 14 October 1929, the Judgment Hour of the LIVING commenced and it continued for 83-years 4-months-- ending on 14 February 2013. At which time Pope Benedict resigned (he was the 7th king of the papacy that had been allotted 1-hour to rule as solo popes on the papal kingdom from 1929-2013)

pope Benedict resigned because of the fornication of his priests. He had been the cardinal responsible for oversight of the priests when their pedophile scandal broke. And as pope, he still had not done anything to stop it (while pope, his ceremonial usher was involved in a prostitution ring).

When Pope Benedict resigned in 2013 papal Babylon was fallen as the 2nd angel announced through the news media. Was fallen was fallen adds the declaration that Apostate Protestantism (the woman on the beast in Rev 17 that clung to papal doctrines) was also fallen. In 2015 the Supreme Court of Protestant America affirmed its acceptance of the fornications embraced by the pedophile priests that had been men fornicating with boys: Gay marriage is now the law of the land in the USA and it has jailed an official that refused to sign off on that abomination until her office was compliant to the court's order.

Thus the woman in Rev 17 has the mark of the beast on her forehead: MYSTERY BABYLON MOTHER OF HARLETS OF THE EARTH
The three features on a seal are in that title.

Thus we are in the sealing time that will be short.

When the third angel's message repeats in Revelation 18
*Worship God not man made decrees, Gods people are then divided. the 10 virgins are identified. The 5 wise virgins who understand the message for the hour and act accordingly. And the 5 foolish virgins who hesitate and delay to hear the right message for the right time until it is too late.

Those are but some of the pearls that God has been pleased to give me. Gather them to His glory or trample them to your shame.

And if you should choose to study to show yourself approved of God, there is more insight ahead for 2017. In His word, God has revealed that President Obama will...

Yes, the stories in the book of Daniel are a TYPE of last day fulfillment of prophecy. They themselves are not the fulfillment but they are given as a type.

Daniel 1 is a type of the world being brought into captivity by Babylon -- and that God will bless those who stay true to Him.

That is also the first step in the last day events-- the world will be brought into "captivity" to the beast power.

Daniel 3 is a type of the "image of the beast" when Babylon demands it's form of worship, from it we can gather hope that Christ will be with us in the fire of persecution.

Daniel 4 is a type of God's investigative judgment. Probation is still open -- repentance is still possible.

Daniel 5 is a type of God's investigative judgment followed by the execution of that judgment. Cyrus (see Jeremiah) is presented as a type of Christ, putting an end to Babylonian captivity and delivering God's people.

Daniel 6 is a type of the death decree, the angels of the Lord will not allow God's people to be slain (even though it looks like they can't possibly survive)


I do question the interpretation of "fornication" in Rev. 17. It is talking about spiritual fornication of religion (the bride of Christ) instead of relying upon Christ for strength, turns to "the kings of the earth" for power.
This is classified as "fornication" all through the OT as well. Israel had "many lovers" turning to Egypt, Assyria and other nations for strength and protection, instead of turning to God.

Though the "sins of Babylon" do include sexual perversion and whole host of other sins as well.

I will always be very hesitant to accept any time prophecies following 1844 -- time will never again be a test.


That things are shaping up for the final crises is very, very true, but I will not, can not, insist on an individual pope or president as the "last" even though he may be working very hard to get everything lined up and thus could very well be the last.

I've heard too many outlines of individuals being "the last" over the last 30 years, to buy into anything that precise -- I fully realize that soon the time will be here, everything is already set up for it to happen, so very soon it will be the last, that is very true, but exactly what individual will be seated in the power seats at that time is still speculation. People in the positions can change rapidly and should not be our key. No matter who is in the position -- the crises will come.

When the Bible speaks of fornication, it can literally be a sexual act or a symbolic of an apostasy (spiritual deviation).

We must be careful to not be so dogmatic that the obvious is concealed or spiritualized away.

My Sabbath school class was studying some signs in the Bible and events were described that were happening in Heaven and on earth. And there was an earthquake. It was not a heavenquake so we didn't have any trouble knowing that it was supposed to happen on earth.

Not everything is that simple to understand.

"The agencies which will unite against truth and righteousness in this contest are now actively at work. God's holy Word, which has been handed down to us at such a cost of suffering and blood, is but little valued. The Bible is within the reach of all, but there are few who really accept it as the guide of life. Infidelity prevails to an alarming extent, not in the world merely, but in the church. Many have come to deny doctrines which are the very pillars of the Christian faith. The great facts of creation as presented by the inspired writers, the fall of man, the atonement, and the perpetuity of the law of God, are practically rejected, either wholly or in part, by a large share of the professedly Christian world. Thousands who pride themselves upon their wisdom and independence regard it an evidence of weakness to place implicit confidence in the Bible; they think it a proof of superior talent and learning to cavil at the Scriptures, and to spiritualize and explain away their most important truths. Many ministers are teaching their people, and many professors and teachers are instructing their students, that the law of God has been changed or abrogated; and those who regard its requirements as still valid, to be literally obeyed, are thought to be deserving only of ridicule or contempt." {GC88 582.3}

"Satan will seek to draw converts from the faith. Theories will be brought in that it will not be wise for us to handle. Satan is a cunning worker, and he will bring in subtle fallacies to darken and confuse the mind and root out the doctrines of salvation. Those who do not accept the Word of God just as it reads, will be snared in his trap." {2SM 52.2}