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Re: More vegans in the news . . .
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Some of our people, while conscientiously abstaining from eating improper foods,
neglect to supply themselves with the elements necessary for the sustenance of the body.
{TSDF 47.8}
Some foods are improper
and should be abstained from,
but in its place
the elements necessary for the sustenance of the body
should be supplied.
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Re: More vegans in the news . . .
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kland, Many that I counted as positive were quoting from the Bible. Remember, Canaan was a land said to be "flowing with milk and honey." Poor vegans! Those are BOTH animal products! The Bible speaks of milk in the positive. Canaan represents Heaven for the Christian. It represents our inheritance. Ok...for your sake, since you asked, here's a breakdown of the years--with statements per book as a bonus. Positive:AA (1911): 3 COL (1900): 1 CTBH (1890): 2 DA (1898): 1 LS80 (1880): 1 LS88 (1888): 1 MH (1905): 1 PP (1890): 6 PK (1917): 3 LP (1883): 1 1SP (1870): 6 2SG (1860): 1 3SG (1864): 3 4aSG (1864): 4 1T (1855-1868): 1 2T (1868-1871): 3 3T (1872-1875): 2 4T (1876-1881): 2 5T (1882-1889): 2 7T (1902): 1 9T (1909): 6 Negative:CTBH (1890): 1 MH (1905): 1 3T (1872-1875): 1 7T (1902): 1 Neutral:CTBH (1890):2 MH (1905): 4 2T (1868-1871): 2 3T (1872-1875): 1 Given that there were only four statements that I counted as negative, they should at least represent the worst to be found. I will put them in a quote box for review below. Milk and Sugar.--Large quantities of milk and sugar eaten together are injurious. They impart impurities to the system. Animals from which milk is obtained are not always healthy. Could we know that animals were in perfect health, I would recommend that people eat flesh-meats sooner than large quantities of milk and sugar. It would not do the injury that milk and sugar do. {CTBH 158.1}
If milk is used, it should be thoroughly sterilized; with this precaution, there is less danger of contracting disease from its use. Butter is less harmful when eaten on cold bread than when used in cooking; but, as a rule, it is better to dispense with it altogether. Cheese is still more objectionable; it is wholly unfit for food. {MH 302.1}
The Reformer was about dead. Brother B had urged the extreme positions of Dr. Trall. This had influenced the doctor to come out in the Reformer stronger than he otherwise would have done, in discarding milk, sugar, and salt. The position to entirely discontinue the use of these things may be right in its order; but the time had not come to take a general stand upon these points. And those who do take their position, and advocate the entire disuse of milk, butter, and sugar, should have their own tables free from these things. Brother B, even while taking his stand in the Reformer with Dr. Trall in regard to the injurious effects of salt, milk, and sugar, did not practice the things he taught. Upon his own table these things were used daily. {3T 19.2}
Let the diet reform be progressive. Let the people be taught how to prepare food without the use of milk or butter. Tell them that the time will soon come when there will be no safety in using eggs, milk, cream, or butter, because disease in animals is increasing in proportion to the increase of wickedness among men. The time is near when, because of the iniquity of the fallen race, the whole animal creation will groan under the diseases that curse our earth. {7T 135.1} Those are truly some of the worst I can find towards milk. Excepting the possibility of disease in animals, there is nothing at all against it from Mrs. White's pen, save for its use in bad combinations with sugar or mush. Far more of her statements actually recommend it as wholesome and nourishing. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: More vegans in the news . . .
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But I wish to say that when the time comes that it is no longer safe to use milk, cream, butter, and eggs, God will reveal this. No extremes in health reform are to be advocated. The question of using milk and butter and eggs will work out its own problem. At present we have no burden on this line. "Let your moderation be known unto all men." {Lt37-1901} Is 2016 the same as 1901? The fact that now 100% of milk contains Bovine Leukemia Virus, which is the strongest signal in those with breast cancer must not be a revelation according to the logical mind of some individuals. Today we have no need to take in these cancerous germs. God has revealed it, but some want to ignore it. The same do not want to heed the instruction that people everywhere should be taught now to cook without these items.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: More vegans in the news . . .
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But I wish to say that when the time comes that it is no longer safe to use milk, cream, butter, and eggs, God will reveal this. No extremes in health reform are to be advocated. The question of using milk and butter and eggs will work out its own problem. At present we have no burden on this line. "Let your moderation be known unto all men." {Lt37-1901} Is 2016 the same as 1901? The fact that now 100% of milk contains Bovine Leukemia Virus, which is the strongest signal in those with breast cancer must not be a revelation according to the logical mind of some individuals. Today we have no need to take in these cancerous germs. God has revealed it, but some want to ignore it. The same do not want to heed the instruction that people everywhere should be taught now to cook without these items. Are you letting your moderation be known unto all men? When did Mrs. White advocate teaching cookery without milk and eggs? Did she say "in the future it may be necessary to instruct people in ways to cook without milk and eggs"? No. She said people should be taught everywhere--in her day. BUT, in her day, she still used milk and eggs to her dying day. She told some people they should add these back into their diet for strength. She told sick people they needed eggs to get well, and the eggs effected nearly a miracle cure. She prescribed these remedies for both young and old. From the introduction to the Counsels on Diet and Foods, the White Estate wrote of Mrs. White's balance as follows (for those shorter on time, skip to the highlighted sections):
CD - Counsels on Diet and Foods (1938)
YOU SHOULD READ THIS
HOW THIS BOOK CAME TO BE
DECADES BEFORE MANY PHYSIOLOGISTS WERE CONCERNED WITH THE CLOSE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN DIET AND HEALTH, ELLEN G. WHITE IN HER WRITINGS CLEARLY POINTED OUT THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE FOOD WE EAT AND OUR PHYSICAL AND SPIRITUAL WELFARE. IN HER DISCOURSES AND WRITINGS FROM 1863 ONWARD, SHE DISCUSSED FREQUENTLY THE IMPORTANCE OF DIET AND ADEQUATE NUTRITION. HER COUNSELS, AS PRESERVED IN PAMPHLETS AND BOOKS, IN THE JOURNALS OF THE DENOMINATION, AND IN PERSONAL TESTIMONIES, HAVE EXERTED A STRONG INFLUENCE ON THE DIETETIC HABITS OF SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS, AND INDIRECTLY HAVE LEFT THEIR IMPRESS UPON THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
MRS. WHITE'S WRITINGS REGARDING FOODS AND A HEALTHFUL DIET WERE DRAWN TOGETHER IN 1926 IN A TOPICALLY ARRANGED WORK DESIGNED TO SERVE PRIMARILY AS A TEXTBOOK FOR STUDENTS OF DIETETICS AT THE COLLEGE OF MEDICAL EVANGELISTS AT LOMA LINDA. THIS INITIAL PRINTING, TITLED TESTIMONY STUDIES ON DIET AND FOODS, WAS SOON EXHAUSTED.
A NEW AND ENLARGED VOLUME, TITLED COUNSELS ON DIET AND FOODS, APPEARED IN 1938. IT WAS REFERRED TO AS A "SECOND EDITION," AND WAS PREPARED UNDER THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF THE ELLEN G. WHITE ESTATE. A THIRD EDITION, PRINTED IN A SMALLER PAGE SIZE TO CONFORM TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CHRISTIAN HOME LIBRARY SERIES, WAS PUBLISHED IN 1946. THE PRESENT EDITION IS THE FOURTH, AND INVOLVES NO CHANGE IN TEXT OR PAGINATION.
THIS IS A UNIQUE COMPILATION
IN ASSEMBLING THE MATERIALS COMPRISING COUNSELS ON DIET AND FOODS, AN EFFORT WAS MADE TO INCLUDE THE FULL RANGE OF INSTRUCTION ON THE SUBJECT FROM MRS. WHITE'S PEN. THE RESULTING COMPILATION IS UNIQUE AMONG THE ELLEN G. WHITE BOOKS,
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FOR IT PRESENTS THE COUNSELS CLUSTERED TOPICALLY UNDER A GENERAL HEADING, WITH NO ATTEMPT TO PROVIDE A CONTINUITY IN READING.
EACH SECTION CONTAINS THE E. G. WHITE MATERIALS THAT, ASSEMBLED, MAKE A REPRESENTATIVE PRESENTATION OF THE TOPIC DEALT WITH. NOTHING THAT WOULD MAKE A SUBSTANTIAL CONTRIBUTION HAS BEEN IGNORED. OFTEN IN THE ORIGINAL SOURCES MANY PHASES OF HEALTH INSTRUCTION ARE TREATED TOGETHER IN ONE PARAGRAPH. TO GIVE ALL THE CONTEXT IN SUCH CASES WOULD HAVE INVOLVED CONSIDERABLE REPETITION. THROUGH THE USE OF CROSS REFERENCES SUCH REPETITION IS MINIMIZED.
WHILE THE LIMITATIONS OF SPACE AND THE EFFORT TO AVOID REPETITION HAVE MADE IT INADVISABLE TO INCLUDE EVERY STATEMENT ON THE MORE GENERAL PHASES OF THE DIET QUESTION, A COMPLETE AND COMPREHENSIVE PRESENTATION OF THE E. G. WHITE TEACHINGS HAS BEEN GIVEN.
PERIL OF TAKING A PART FOR THE WHOLE
THE FACT THAT THIS VOLUME IS CONSTRUCTED SOMEWHAT LIKE AN ENCYCLOPEDIA, ISOLATING THE MAJOR PRESENTATIONS AND GROUPING THEM BY TOPIC, MAKES IT A CONVENIENT REFERENCE WORK. BUT THE ENCYCLOPEDIA DESIGN ALSO MAKES THE BOOK ONE THAT MAY EASILY BE MISUSED. TO GAIN THE AUTHOR'S INTENT AND THE FULL IMPACT OF ALL HER TEACHINGS, IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT THE BOOK BE STUDIED AS A WHOLE.
THE READER SHOULD BEAR IN MIND THAT A SINGLE ELLEN WHITE STATEMENT ON SOME PHASE OF THE SUBJECT OF NUTRITION MAY COME FAR SHORT OF EXPRESSING HER FULL INTENT AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE NUTRITIONAL NEEDS OF THE BODY. FOR EXAMPLE, IN A SENTENCE APPEARING ON PAGE 314 OF THIS BOOK, TAKEN FROM TESTIMONIES, VOLUME 2, PAGE 352, SHE SAYS; "GRAINS AND FRUITS PREPARED FREE FROM GREASE, AND IN AS NATURAL A CONDITION AS POSSIBLE, SHOULD BE THE FOOD FOR THE TABLES OF ALL WHO CLAIM TO BE PREPARING FOR TRANSLATION." IN THE LIGHT OF OTHER OF HER STATEMENTS, CLEARLY IT WAS NOT MRS. WHITE'S INTENT TO TEACH THAT THOSE PREPARING FOR TRANSLATION SHOULD REDUCE THEIR DIET TO SIMPLY" GRAINS AND FRUITS." PENNED IN 1869 IN THE SETTING OF COUNSEL AGAINST THE USE OF MEAT, THIS STATEMENT SEEMS TO MAKE "GRAINS AND FRUITS" STAND FOR THE NONMEAT DIET. THE
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STATEMENT DOES NOT MENTION NUTS, VEGETABLES, OR DAIRY PRODUCTS, ALL OF WHICH ELLEN WHITE RECOGNIZED AS IMPORTANT TO A BALANCED NUTRITIONAL PROGRAM.
ANOTHER STATEMENT ON THE SAME PAGE (314), WRITTEN SOME TWENTY YEARS LATER, IN DELINEATING A DIET INTENDED TO IMPART NOURISHMENT AND GIVE ENDURANCE AND VIGOR OF INTELLECT, MENTIONS "FRUIT, GRAINS, AND VEGETABLES" PREPARED WITH "MILK OR CREAM." NUTS ARE NOT MENTIONED. ACROSS THE PAGE IN ANOTHER PARAGRAPH WRITTEN IN 1905, "GRAINS, NUTS, VEGETABLES, AND FRUITS" ARE LISTED AS TAKING THE PLACE OF MEAT. IN THIS STATEMENT MILK IS NOT MENTIONED. YET MILK IS INCLUDED IN HER 1909
STATEMENT THAT APPEARS ON PAGE 355: "VEGETABLES SHOULD BE MADE PALATABLE WITH A LITTLE MILK OR CREAM, OR SOMETHING EQUIVALENT. . . . SOME, IN ABSTAINING FROM MILK, EGGS, AND BUTTER, HAVE FAILED TO SUPPLY THE SYSTEM WITH PROPER NOURISHMENT, AND AS A CONSEQUENCE HAVE BECOME WEAK AND UNABLE TO WORK. THUS HEALTH REFORM IS BROUGHT INTO DISREPUTE."
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER INSTANCES SIMILAR TO THOSE CITED ABOVE WHERE ELLEN WHITE DOES NOT IN A GIVEN STATEMENT ENUMERATE ALL THE ELEMENTS OF AN ADEQUATE DIET. CARE MUST BE EXERCISED TO GET HER COMPLETE THOUGHT ON EACH SUBJECT. AN ISOLATED STATEMENT SHOULD NOT BE USED BY ITSELF, LEST THE PART BE TAKEN FOR THE WHOLE.
A CALL FOR EVERYONE TO STUDY
ELLEN WHITE DID NOT INTEND THAT HER WRITINGS ALONG NUTRITIONAL LINES SHOULD EXCLUDE THE NEED FOR EARNEST STUDY TO FIND THE BEST AND MOST AGREEABLE DIET, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF A GROWING KNOWLEDGE, AND THE EXPERIENCE AND INVESTIGATION OF OTHERS. SHE WROTE:
"TO KEEP THE BODY IN A HEALTHY CONDITION, IN ORDER THAT ALL PARTS OF THE LIVING MACHINERY MAY ACT HARMONIOUSLY, SHOULD BE THE STUDY OF OUR LIFE."--PAGE 18.
"IT IS PLAINLY OUR DUTY TO GIVE THESE [NATURE'S] LAWS CAREFUL STUDY. WE SHOULD STUDY THEIR REQUIREMENTS IN REGARD TO OUR OWN BODIES, AND CONFORM TO THEM. IGNORANCE IN THESE THINGS IS SIN."--IBID.
CLEARLY MRS. WHITE FELT THAT EACH PERSON SHOULD BECOME WELL INFORMED, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE ADVANCEMENTS OF SCIENCE
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IN NUTRITIONAL INVESTIGATIONS, SO LONG AS THE CONCLUSIONS HARMONIZE WITH THE COUNSELS GIVEN THROUGH INSPIRATION.
THE HAZARDS OF EXTREMES
ELLEN WHITE WAS NOT SLOW TO POINT OUT THE HAZARDS OF EXTREMES, OR INATTENTION, OR LAXITY IN PROVIDING AN ADEQUATE DIET FOR THE FAMILY. THIS FACT IS ILLUSTRATED BY THE STATEMENT THAT THE MOTHER "BY ILL-PREPARED, UNWHOLESOME FOOD" MIGHT ACTUALLY "HINDER AND EVEN RUIN BOTH THE ADULT'S USEFULNESS AND THE CHILD'S DEVELOPMENT" (P. 476). IN THE SAME STATEMENT SHE CALLED FOR "PROVIDING FOOD ADAPTED TO THE NEEDS OF THE BODY, AND AT THE SAME TIME INVITING AND PALATABLE."
WHILE THE REASONS FOR INCLUDING SOME DAIRY PRODUCTS IN A BALANCED, ADEQUATE DIET WERE NOT FULLY UNDERSTOOD, ELLEN WHITE SPOKE IN FAVOR OF THEM, AND EVEN CAUTIONED AGAINST ELIMINATING THEM. TODAY IN THE LIGHT OF THE KNOWLEDGE THAT CERTAIN MINUTE NUTRIENTS ARE VITAL TO BODY FUNCTIONS, WE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING. SOME OF THESE NUTRIENTS, WHILE APPARENTLY NOT PRESENT IN ALL-VEGETABLE DIET, ARE AVAILABLE IN ADEQUATE AMOUNTS IN A LACTO-OVO-VEGETARIAN DIET. THIS IS PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT TO CHILDREN WHOSE PROPER DEVELOPMENT ELLEN WHITE STATED MIGHT BE HINDERED BY "ILL-PREPARED UNWHOLESOME FOOD."
NEAR THE TURN OF THE CENTURY ELLEN WHITE BEGAN TO WRITE THAT BECAUSE OF ACCUMULATING DISEASE IN THE ANIMAL KINGDOM ALL ANIMAL FOODS, INCLUDING MILK, WILL IN TIME HAVE TO BE GIVEN UP (SEE PP. 356, 357); YET AT THE SAME TIME SHE REPEATEDLY CAUTIONED AGAINST PREMATURE STEPS IN THIS DIRECTION AND IN 1909 DECLARED THAT THE TIME WILL COME WHEN SUCH MAY BE NECESSARY, BUT URGED AGAINST CREATING PERPLEXITY BY "PRE-MATURE AND EXTREME RESTRICTIONS." SHE COUNSELED THAT WE "WAIT UNTIL THE CIRCUMSTANCES DEMAND IT, AND THE LORD PREPARES THE WAY FOR IT" (PP. 355-359).
IT WAS THE LACTO-OVO-VEGETARIAN DIET THAT SUSTAINED ELLEN WHITE IN ACTIVE SERVICE WELL INTO HER EIGHTY-EIGHTH YEAR.
EMPLOY SOUND PRINCIPLES IN STUDY
CERTAIN SOUND PRINCIPLES MUST EVER BE APPLIED IN THE STUDY OF THE DIETARY COUNSELS FOUND IN THIS BOOK. ALL THE
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INSTRUCTIONS, AS A BROAD, CONSISTENT, WELL-BALANCED WHOLE, SHOULD BE STUDIED WITH AN OPEN MIND. CARE SHOULD BE TAKEN TO READ THE ENTIRE STATEMENT ON A GIVEN TOPIC. THEN, TO GAIN THE FULL INTENT OF THE AUTHOR, STATEMENT SHOULD BE PUT WITH STATEMENT. IF ONE STATEMENT DOES NOT SEEM TO ACCORD WITH ANOTHER, THE STUDENT WOULD DO WELL TO TRACE ONE, OR BOTH, TO THE ORIGINAL SETTINGS.
THE STUDENT SHOULD ALSO FOLLOW ELLEN WHITE'S EXAMPLE IN RECOGNIZING THREE BASIC PRINCIPLES AS ENUMERATED ON PAGE 481:
1. "THE DIET REFORM SHOULD BE PROGRESSIVE."--MH 320.
2. "WE DO NOT MARK OUT ANY PRECISE LINE TO BE FOLLOWED IN DIET."--9T 159.
3. "I MAKE MYSELF A CRITERION FOR NO ONE ELSE."--LETTER 45, 1903.
A RECOMMENDATION FOR HEALTH REFORM
TRUE DIET REFORM WILL RECOMMEND ITSELF BECAUSE OF ITS GOOD SENSE. ITS FRUITAGE WILL BE SEEN IN GOOD HEALTH, STRENGTH, A SWEET BREATH, AND A SENSE OF WELL-BEING. EVEN THE SPIRITUAL LIFE MAY BE AIDED BY GOOD HEALTH HABITS. IT HAS BEEN GRATIFYING TO WITNESS, THROUGH THE ONWARD MARCH OF SCIENTIFIC STUDY, A FULL SUBSTANTIATION OF MANY GREAT PRINCIPLES AND EVEN MINUTE POINTS OF INSTRUCTION REVEALED TO SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS THROUGH ELLEN WHITE'S INSPIRED PEN.
THAT THIS VOLUME MAY AID ITS READERS IN OBTAINING BETTER HEALTH, BOTH PHYSICAL AND SPIRITUAL, IS OUR SINCERE WISH.
THE TRUSTEES OF THE ELLEN G. WHITE ESTATE
WASHINGTON, D. C.
SEPTEMBER 17, 1976
Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: More vegans in the news . . .
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"I MAKE MYSELF A CRITERION FOR NO ONE ELSE."--LETTER 45, 1903. You should read that! I suspect you do not deal very much with real people with real illness on a daily basis. I suspect you do not deal with blindness causes by bad habits. I suspect you do not deal much with leg and foot ulcers causes by diet. I suspect you do not deal much with people dying from diet induced heart disease. I suspect you do not deal much with people that have suffered strokes. Don't use your criterion for anyone else is a good recommendation. But when I am dealing with people dying of self inflicted disease, I will use the most effective medicine available - diet.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: More vegans in the news . . .
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"I MAKE MYSELF A CRITERION FOR NO ONE ELSE."--LETTER 45, 1903. You should read that! I certainly have read that, and I abide by it. Mrs. White ate no beans. I thrive on them and need them. Thankfully, her diet did not become the standard for everyone else. As she says herself, some cannot eat milk, others can do well on it. She told those who taught people to discard milk and eggs to do no such thing. Have you understood those statements? (I won't ask if you have read them, for I am certain that you have.) Put your suspicions away. Mrs. White says we are not to be suspicious of the brethren. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: More vegans in the news . . .
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But why do you continue to ignore present truth that milk contains "cancerous germs"? Do you believe that milk is a harmless drink today? What kind of evidence do you need to show that it is not healthy TODAY? I'm not sure ANY evidence would convince you. You are stuck in 1900. Life style diseases are epidemic, vastly beyond what was happening in EGW's day. But is it not great that you have a choice?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: More vegans in the news . . .
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God has a sense of humor sometimes, He lead me to the following quotation just now: Ellen White writes: "God desires us to deal with . . . problems sensibly." She continues: "My mind has been greatly stirred with the idea [expressed by some as follows], 'Why, Sister White has said so and so, and Sister White has said so and so; and therefore we are going right up to it.'" [To this she responds:] "God wants us all to have common sense, and he wants us to reason from common sense. Circumstances alter conditions. Circumstances change the relations of things." {Ms7-1904}
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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God has a sense of humor sometimes, He lead me to the following quotation just now: Ellen White writes: "God desires us to deal with . . . problems sensibly." She continues: "My mind has been greatly stirred with the idea [expressed by some as follows], 'Why, Sister White has said so and so, and Sister White has said so and so; and therefore we are going right up to it.'" [To this she responds:] "God wants us all to have common sense, and he wants us to reason from common sense. Circumstances alter conditions. Circumstances change the relations of things." {Ms7-1904}
Yes. That is good. That's virtually the same message I posted above HERE.Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Yes - milk is fine - - in her day. Is it safe today? You are welcome to it. The evidence is out there - are you going to continue to ignore it? Has the situation changed? Shall we use common sense?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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