What is the prophetic earth?




Daniel saw sea beasts in the vision on Daniel 7, but Heaven explained the endtime meaning of the earth kings/American Presidents

Insert Heavens interpretation into the vision:
An American President like a lion
An American President like a bear
An American President like a leopard
An American President like a indescribable beast with iron teeth and brass nails




What happened to the 4th American President









The rest of the beasts are the lion, bear, & leopard (three American Presidents.

A season and a time are measurable.

A prophetic year has 360 days and 4 seasons of 90 days each
A season is 90 days or 90 years
A time is a year already
If the time were 360 years, it would be too long for 4 earth kings

A season and time must be 91 years

Reagan was 90 years old 2/6/2001
On 9/11/01 America was attacked

On 9/11/2001 Reagan was in his 91st year
He was alive as was Bush I & Clinton, and all 3 were out of office



The little horn speaking great things must then be Pope John-Paul II, he was the only pope that Reagan, Bush I, and Clinton knew while they were in office.





But Revelation 13 is repeated in the endtime.





The verses that White wrote out repeat the 42 months. And she did it again.

WILL SURELY TAKE PLACE is in the future.

The verses that White wrote out a second time in a different article repeat the 42 months. And she said the ENTIRE CHAPTER WILL SURELY TAKE PLACE which includes the repeating of the deadly wound that was healed.

Pope John-Paul II literally had a deadly wound- he survived

Reagan healed the papacy's 1798 secular wound on America's behalf when he recognized Pope John-Paul II as a head of state

Bush I healed the papacy's 1798 religious wound on America's behalf when he recognized Pope John-Paul II as THE WORLD'S MORAL LEADER, i.e., the HEAD OF ALL THE CHURCHES

John-Paul II bonded with the lion's mouth (Reagan the great orator), the bear's feet (Bush I) and the leopard's features (Clinton).

The reality is, the spirit of the Counter Reformation is slipping into the door of the Adventist Church, and doing it's best to mingle with, and wrap itself around Adventist end-time beliefs and thus by infiltration and amalgamation unsettle the foundation of prophetic understanding.

The testimonies can be rejected just as surely, while still using them profusely though out of context ways.

Some Adventist Bible students propose we should give serious heed to futurist based interpretations of dispensationalist Christians.

Most of these claim loyalty to the historicist interpretations of Daniel and revelation which we hold as a people. But they don't see that as THE interpretation, as it gets relegated to the back burner and their desire and ambition is to make these prophecies line up with current news.

The only way to keep the illusion of still believing the church's historicist position while pursuing futurist interpretations, is to push for the dual fulfillment devise.

But there is no consistency in this.

Certain portions of the prophecies are lifted out and reapplied while other portions are left out. For example, the 70 weeks are reapplied, but the 2300 days are no longer part of the new interpretation.

The idea that Obama is the last president is not original with HC. There are lots of webpages with scary scenario's saying that about Obama. I suppose if one reads deeply into them they might be convinced.

However, there is something unusual about some of those websites. They tend to predict an "against Christianity" president. They also predict an "anti-pope" that works with this president --
They are not predicting a counterfeit (remember a counterfeit looks like the genuine article) that will deceive the world, they are predicting an evil dictator.

What's even more surprising is that even Catholics support this scenario. There's the believe the United States and other countries, as well as their own church will come under the chastisement of God. There will be great trouble.
But then a true pope will arise and holding his banner high, will lead to (supposed)peace.

The one thing that I see is people may be terribly deceived by thinking a national leader (a president or radical Muslim, or some powerful leader -- or even an anti-catholic pope) is "anti-Christ" in whose wake there is lots of trouble, and when the real anti-Christ comes (the one the Reformers and the testimonies have identified as the papacy)sounding very pious to "bring peace" they will readily accept him.

I think we would do well to stick to Adventist prophecy, and not get side tracked with smoke screen scenarios out of which the real antichrist will emerge as the "good guy" and deceive the world.

It looks like error by association. When some people are shown light that they cannot pigeon hole into their frame of reference, rather than to examine the light fairly, they look for things and people that they know are in error and link the light that they do not understand to the error that they know is error.

That is not the method of Bible study that historicists use. True historicists follow the prophecies from a reliable point in time that can be found in the past to their day.

The Millerites discovered 457 BC and followed it to the day of Christ's Coming in their day. They got the event wrong, but they understood how to follow prophecy to current events. They were Historicists.

Preterits place things in the past and won't allow for an application of prophecy that transcends the understanding that was settled in the past. So to apply prophecy in the past where a partial fulfillment was known and not to allow for the complete and final fulfillment is not Historicism (though some pretend that it is).

Don't forget how God has led His people in the past.

He led them with time prophecy.

He allowed them to be wrong and to learn from their errors.

Those who wanted infallibility as their standard were disappointed and left from following Jesus.

We have nothing to fear of the future except that we forget that God has led His people with time prophecies in in the past and He will do it again right up to the implementation of the Mark of the Beast by President Obama.

To be able to know truth and to cast it aside as though it were not important is a sin that many will commit and not be able to recover from when they at last see their error. The parable of the Ten virgins is at work today.

To have a meaningful dialog, when evidence is presented, it needs to be examined and discussed.

When evidence is presented and it is brushed aside without any consideration, the testimony of the hearer is that they are content in their Laodicean condition and do not want to be bothered with truth that might rock their boat.

Laodicea was rich and they thought that they needed nothing.

IMHO: When Obama stays in office, those who followed Satan's erroneous amalgamation of truth and error will not be drawn to the Remnant Church because of its teaching of truth (the Remnant generally has rejected truth that applies to our time as if it were the counterfeit). So Satan's counterfeit is allowed to do its evil work. It is so close to Present truth that SDA's will fall away and non SDA's will be content with their partial truth until probation closes.

His child wrote;

"What is the prophetic earth?"

HC, you asked this in reference to Daniel 7:17. Daniel 7:17 is part of the interpretation, not the prophecy. So, your question is moot.

And when it does not turn out as you claim, will that strengthen the church?

Knowing Christ and knowing truth are not the same thing. We are saved by Grace, a concept little known amongst Adventists, mainly because it puts to naught all their claims to "have the Truth" and "come into the Truth." The thief on the cross had not idea about "truth" state of the dead, health message, investigative judgement, whatever. But he knew Christ.




Really?? The "Remnant" is NOT the SDA church. The Bible NEVER mentions a "remnant church." It is ALWAYS a remnant people. And they are always characterized by obedience to God. So the above quote exhibits a serious flaw in Biblical understanding, or some personal agenda, and very likely both.


Please give an example of the above, comparing and contrasting the "counterfeit" with the "truth." Point out how this is important to one's salvation, bearing in mind that we are saved by grace.

The more frequently a definite time is set for the second advent, and the more widely it is taught, the better it suits the purposes of Satan. After the time has passed, he excites ridicule and contempt of its advocates, and thus casts reproach upon the great Advent movement of 1843 and 1844. Those who persist in this error will at last fix upon a date too far in the future for the coming of Christ. Thus they will be led to rest in a false security, and many will not be undeceived until it is too late. {GC88 456.2}

The exact time of Christ's second coming is not revealed. Jesus said, No man knoweth the day nor the hour. But He also gave signs of His coming, and said, "When ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors." He bade them, as the signs of His coming should appear, "Look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh." And in view of these things the apostle wrote: "Ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day." Since we know not the hour of Christ's coming, we must live soberly and godly in this present world, "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ." . . . {RC 258.4}

We are not of that class who define the exact period of time that shall elapse before the coming of Jesus the second time with power and great glory. Some have set a time, and when that has passed, their presumptuous spirits have not accepted rebuke, but they have set another and another time; but many successive failures have stamped them as false prophets. "The secret things belong unto the Lord our God; but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children forever." Notwithstanding the fact that there are false prophets, there are also those who are preaching the truth as pointed out in the Scriptures. With deep earnestness, with honest faith, prompted by the Holy Spirit, they are stirring minds and hearts by showing them that we are living near the second coming of Christ; but the day and hour of his appearing are beyond the ken of man; for "of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." {SpTEd 106.2}


Not even your erroneous date of March 29 for the 2017 equinox!

Please share it HC or email me privately. I think you misapply scripture frequently but your thoughts are stimulating because there is some validity in what your saying. One of the best things readers should take note of is that you are right about Ellen White's placing entire chapters such as Revelation 11 and 13 in the future. We dismiss those statements at our peril.

But regarding the 70 weeks, please share it here or privately, mark.shipowick@gmail.com. I've wondered for several years if the 70 weeks doesn't have a final application in literal time or in some other way such as being synchronized with the Jubilees. I don't think though that any of this or any other scripture should be used to predict the return of Christ or the latter rain or judgment of the living. Regarding the cases of the living I tend to think this judgment is under way now and has been for several months if not years, starting with the house of God.