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#183577 - 05/07/17 08:45 PM Re: Is there a Biblical/Divine calendar? [Re: Mark Shipowick]
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The study of astronomy ought to be encouraged. "The heavens declare the glory of God . . . " The night sky is one of the most valuable lesson books of nature and of the majesty and power of God. The Magi would, like the Jews, not have noticed the new star in the heavens heralding Christ's birth if they had not been accomplished astronomers. Have another look at what the sacred record says about the purposes of God in creating the heavenly bodies. smile
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#183578 - 05/07/17 08:57 PM Re: Is there a Biblical/Divine calendar? [Re: Mark Shipowick]
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As far as I know there are no large scale pagan style monuments to the heavenly bodies that have been found in Israel or built by Jews to calculate or mark the seasons. There have always been apostate groups and movements among God's people so it is possible something like that could have been constructed. But if something like that was found say from the reign of the kings it wouldn't be wise to assume it was pagan or simply scientific, like a modern telescope, until we look at all the evidence.
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#183580 - 05/08/17 01:23 AM Re: Is there a Biblical/Divine calendar? [Re: Mark Shipowick]
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Originally Posted By: Mark Shipowick
The study of astronomy ought to be encouraged. "The heavens declare the glory of God . . . " The night sky is one of the most valuable lesson books of nature and of the majesty and power of God. The Magi would, like the Jews, not have noticed the new star in the heavens heralding Christ's birth if they had not been accomplished astronomers. Have another look at what the sacred record says about the purposes of God in creating the heavenly bodies. smile

There is studying astronomy which is the study of the stars, galaxies, and space --
then there is astrology which also studies stars, constellation and their positions in the sky, etc.,.

The first is awesome and indeed shows the power and glory of God.
The second contains a lot of the eerie part filled with pagan and occult mystical stuff.
The distinction between the two are often blurred.
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#183582 - 05/08/17 03:03 AM Re: Is there a Biblical/Divine calendar? [Re: Mark Shipowick]
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Originally Posted By: Mark Shipowick
As far as I know there are no large scale pagan style monuments to the heavenly bodies that have been found in Israel or built by Jews to calculate or mark the seasons. There have always been apostate groups and movements among God's people so it is possible something like that could have been constructed. But if something like that was found say from the reign of the kings it wouldn't be wise to assume it was pagan or simply scientific, like a modern telescope, until we look at all the evidence.


Well there is the Rujm el-Hiri in the Golan Heights, not far from the sea of Galilee. Archeologists suggest it was built around 3000 B.C., so it was probably built soon after the flood, and before Israel occupied the territory.

According to one hypothesis, supported by a large part of the researchers, the site was used for special ceremonies during the longest and shortest days of the year. On the longest day, the first rays of the sun shone through the opening in the north-east gate. At the times of the two equinoxes, the sun's rays would pass between two rocks, 2m in height, 5m in width, at the eastern edge of the compound.
In our day --every year a group of "New Agers" gathers at the site on the summer solstice, and on the equinox, to view the first rays of the sun shine though the rocks.

The fascination with the solstice and equinoxes, was a very important part of sun worship.


However, we know from scripture they had a lot of "high places" for worshipping pagan gods in the OT. We also have accounts of certain kings, like Hezekiah, or Josiah, who tore down the high places.

Josiah "defiled the high places" by burning dead men’s bones upon them, as 2 Kings 23:14,16,20

That bit of Biblical information may (or may not) answer the questions of Rujm-el-Hiri. Rujm-el-Hiri has the evidence that it was an astrological devise, determining the solstice, and the equinox. But then there is also evidence that about 1000 years later it was used for the dead. So the arguments get into gear over what the Rujm-el-Hiri was used for.

However, if it was an observatory (along with a place for celebrating the solstice, and the equinox, in pagan sun worshipping manner, and used as such for 1000 years, then suddenly it seemed to become a place for the dead -- could it have been Josiah was working on "defiling" that place?
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#183589 - 05/08/17 05:52 PM Re: Is there a Biblical/Divine calendar? [Re: Mark Shipowick]
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Originally Posted By: Mark Shipowick
The ancient Jews and oriental cultures were not as backward as we might think. Simple instruments have been found that were used for determining the equinox. The Jews have consistently been at the forefront of invention for millennia. Solomon's temple has never been equaled for architectural and artistic perfection. Some claim the best of Greek architecture was inspired by but dimly reflected it's magnificence and beauty.

I agree, that if one is established at a location, one can measure and mark the solstices, and then calculate a halfway point, align stones, and be able to tell the next year when the half-way point is. I get that.

But how would the Israelites wandering through the wilderness calculate a halfway point of the sun traveling north to south? If they had some instruments, are they not available today? For it would be fragile ground to travel saying that there's some mysterious instruments they used that we cannot have today.

Originally Posted By: Mark Shipowick
The study of astronomy ought to be encouraged. "The heavens declare the glory of God . . . " The night sky is one of the most valuable lesson books of nature and of the majesty and power of God. The Magi would, like the Jews, not have noticed the new star in the heavens heralding Christ's birth if they had not been accomplished astronomers. Have another look at what the sacred record says about the purposes of God in creating the heavenly bodies. smile
Declaring the glory of God and using stars to calculate a calendar, zodiac or otherwise, are two different things. As Dedication said, we must not blur the edges of the occult.

Originally Posted By: Mark Shipowick
As far as I know there are no large scale pagan style monuments to the heavenly bodies that have been found in Israel or built by Jews to calculate or mark the seasons. There have always been apostate groups and movements among God's people so it is possible something like that could have been constructed. But if something like that was found say from the reign of the kings it wouldn't be wise to assume it was pagan or simply scientific, like a modern telescope, until we look at all the evidence.
Not sure I'm following. Are there any scale of pagan or non-pagan monuments to heavenly bodies that have been found in Israel or built by Jews to calculate or mark the seasons?

This brings up the question even further, what are these "instruments" used by the Jews? Yes, I do express doubt, but yet I am very curious because I've searched several times and have not found any culture able to have any instruments other than permanent non-portable stones placed which could be calculated to produce an arbitrary mid-way point.
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