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#183470 - 04/26/17 12:09 AM Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: dedication]
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Armageddon -- is no one single place -- it is a time, a time when God speaks -- this is the end. "It is done. It is finished".
Rather than being restricted to one area, the battle of Armageddon will encompass the whole earth.—Jeremiah 25:32-34; Isaiah 28:22.



Armageddon is compound word of "Har" and "Megiddo".

I searched Scripture references of Megiddo to see what has happened in that place.
1) No gain of money-Judges 5:19
2)Josiah king killed-2king 23:29
3)Jehoshaphat triumph-2 Chron. 20:22

It is my understanding that Armageddon signifies those events that will be repeated as in the past.
1') no financial gain but bankruptcy
2') saints be killed - king Josiah represents faithful saints who keep the commandment of God and have the faith of Jesus
3')God's judgment in progress (Investigative Judgment) just as the enemies of Jehoshaphat were judged; Joel 3:2 and Joel 3:9-13

The destroyer of Abbadon or Apollyon is the instigator of Armageddon. When the three unclean spirits unite to destroy God's remnant, their name becomes Armageddon. Evidently those three events of Megiddo are happening currently. Thus we are living in the time of Armageddon.

Jesus says, "Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that whatcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame" (Rev. 16:15) because now is the time of Armageddon.
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#183544 - 05/05/17 07:53 PM Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y]
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The fifth trumpet unmasks the identity of the beast who ascended from the bottomless pit. He is causing torment like scorpion's bite to the inhabitants of the earth. He is the destroyer, namely Abandon or Apollyon.

The Beast is the Papacy. And because the Papacy is referred to as a king, the seven kings mentioned in Rev. 17:10 depict the Papacy’s reign of terror during the Seven Churches period. Thus the seven kings are the counterpart to the Seven Churches. Scripture stresses the importance of understanding the identity of the seven-headed Beast: “Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth” (Rev. 17:9). Some scholars interpret the woman as the Vatican sitting among the seven mountains, known as “The City of Seven Hills.” But God is interested not in the Vatican’s location, but in unmasking the identity of who is making war against His people. The Beast combats the Seven Churches with mountain-like trouble, and the harlot is the Pope sitting upon the Beast, the Papacy. It is the Pope who is orchestrating the troubles and thrusting the whole world into extreme torment.
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#183547 - 05/05/17 11:40 PM Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y]
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Originally Posted By: Karen Y
The fifth trumpet unmasks the identity of the beast who ascended from the bottomless pit. He is causing torment like scorpion's bite to the inhabitants of the earth. He is the destroyer, namely Abandon or Apollyon.

The Beast is the Papacy. And because the Papacy is referred to as a king, the seven kings mentioned in Rev. 17:10 depict the Papacy’s reign of terror during the Seven Churches period. Thus the seven kings are the counterpart to the Seven Churches. Scripture stresses the importance of understanding the identity of the seven-headed Beast: “Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth” (Rev. 17:9). Some scholars interpret the woman as the Vatican sitting among the seven mountains, known as “The City of Seven Hills.” But God is interested not in the Vatican’s location, but in unmasking the identity of who is making war against His people. The Beast combats the Seven Churches with mountain-like trouble, and the harlot is the Pope sitting upon the Beast, the Papacy. It is the Pope who is orchestrating the troubles and thrusting the whole world into extreme torment.

"His Child" has some very interesting ideas about your seven heads and ten horns. You can follow him on this thread where he is prophesying greatly: Daniel 9 and the 144,000

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#183702 - 05/18/17 12:06 AM Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y]
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Only way to escape the Beast's infliction of the torment is receiving the seal of God in our foreheads. (See Rev. 9:4).

The seal of God is the Sabbath. Those who do not keep the Sabbath Day holy are in a danger of receiving a counterfeit mark, which is the mark of the beast.

The fifth trumpet is warning this issue of the torments, which cause by the beast power.
The beast is bragging that "who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?" (Rev. 13:4). But the fifth plague is falling upon them now: "the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness" (Rev. 16:10).

The fifth trumpet indicated that the darkness resulted by the smoke of the bottomless pit.
We are told that the beast ascended from the bottomless pit (Rev. 11:7, 17:8). The beast caused the darkness and he receives retribution with the darkness of the plague.

We are not to make allegiance to the beast. In other words, we do not honor the seat of the beast like the daughters of the whore (Rev. 17:5). Those who pay homage to the beast are disobeying the fifth commandment. The fifth plague corresponds to the fifth trumpet and the fifth commandment. God made things very simple to understand: fifth, fifth and fifth.

In the Dark Ages, the reformers from the Papacy are also associated with the fifth church and fifth seal. Martyrs are under the altar and crying, "How long, O Lord ... avenge our blood" (Rev. 6:10). The Papacy kills people if they apostate their church even now. The martyrdom still happens in their kingdom. The fifth seal depicts this truth. The fifth, fifth, fifth and fifth are like multiplication tables: easy to discern the significance at a glance.
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#183768 - 05/23/17 04:32 PM Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y]
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What I discovered in my study on the threefold woe, it is referred to the sound of the remaining trumpets, which has the appalling severity of trouble. The first four trumpets are also woes but gradual development—destruction of the earth, sea, drinking water and heavenly body disturbances.

Rev. 8:13 says, "And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth BY REASON OF THE OTHER VOICES OF THE TRUMPET OF THE THREE ANGELS, WHCIH ARE YET TO SOUND" (emphasis added by me).

The first four trumpets impacts "the inhabiters of the earth" as well as the next three trumpets, which will bring swift destruction, especially spiritual realm. The passage indicate that the global warning of announcement is made known.

The threefold woe does not happen consecutively in event but announced concurrently. The trumpets can only be sounded one by one to let the message herald. Consider Rev. 9:12: "One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter". It is the announcement of the coming catastrophe to mankind: "by (the) reason of the other voices of the trumpet"

When Jesus washed the disciples' feet, He said, "What I do thou knows not now; but thou shalt know HEREAFTER" (John 13:7 emphasis added by me). The "hereafter" indicate the starting point is right there then and forward. So is the first woe sounded and there are two more woes to be announced which is indicated by HEREAFTER. All the starting point of the three woe announcement is same.


Rev. 11:14 says, "The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly". In other words, the second woe is sounded and the third woe will sound quickly. This passage has to be understood from the point of view of HEREAFTER: it does not mean after the second woe done, then the third woe will come.

Since Jesus' ministry overarch the Seven Trumpets, all the trumpets message must go out while He is in the Most Holy Place. After the casting of the fire, the Seven Angels will prepare to blow the trumpet. Am I contradicting myself? No, if you see what it means to "prepared themselves to sound" (Rev. 8:6) might be indicating.

Jesus said in Matt. 25:41, "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS" (emphasis added by me). Just as the hell fire is already announced for the devil and his angels, the Seven Trumpets' judgment is already prepared to pour out in the Seven Last Plagues. See Rev. 16:1 that the Seven Angels carry out the command of God to pour out the plagues. They never make the seven trumpets sound. Then who would say the warning and when? I will discuss it later.

When the sixth trumpet sounded, the close of probation has not happened yet for the voice of God is being heard from the temple to let go of the four angels who were holding the winds of the four corners of the earth (See Rev. 9:13. 7:1-3).

Jesus is ministering in the Most Holy Place in heaven now before the altar, which is before the throne of God. He offers up His last intercession and Father God will respond to Jesus' final prayers at the close of probation. That is why a voice is heard from the "four horns of the golden altar" (Rev. 9:13).

At the close of probation, the Seven Angels who stood and watched the judgment of God will change their course of action to bring out the seven plagues: they were prepared to sound the trumpets. This imagery is also portrayed in Rev. 14:18: "another angel came out from the altar". The angel from the altar is one of the seven angels. The seven angels were watching the Jesus' mediatorial work and they are saying to Jesus that the sealing has completed upon the earth. It is time to harvest the grapes of the earth (see Rev. 14:18).

The sound of each trumpet is blown by each angel. Who are these angels? They are the same angels as the three angels in Rev. 14. Both passages in Rev. 8:13 and Rev. 14:6-7 indicate that the angels are flying in the midst of heaven with a loud voice.

No literal angels are flying to warn the world of coming judgment of God. It is God's people preaching the three angels message. So is with the seven trumpets message must go out by God's sealed people: the close of probation is so near!

The Seven Trumpets warning is being fast fulfilling in the Seven Last Plagues now. "Be ready, be ready, be ready!" The judgment of God has begun to pour out upon the earth. God's mercy is still mingled in the plagues but soon the probation's door will be shut.
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#183780 - 05/24/17 10:29 AM Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y]
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"Be ready, be ready, be ready!" The judgment of God has begun to pour out upon the earth. God's mercy is still mingled in the plagues but soon the probation's door will be shut.
People have been saying pretty much the same thing to me for about 30 years. How does "soon" translate in light of this?
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#183781 - 05/24/17 10:43 AM Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: The Wanderer]
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People have been saying pretty much the same thing to me for about 30 years. How does "soon" translate in light of this?


I also have lived through the "soon commings" of the last 50 years, as my father did before me, and indeed, every generation of Christians since the disciples stood gazing at the clouds 2,000 years ago.

2,000 years is NOT "soon." dunno
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#183782 - 05/24/17 01:25 PM Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Nadi]
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Men often failed what it means "soon". We must read it at the perspective of God. He is eternal God. Mankind lives less than 100 years. The Book of Revelation came from God to reveal the mystery of redemption: not only for the mankind but for the universe. I say again, the Book of Revelation came from God, not from man. We must read it in the perspective of God. To Him, one day is like thousand years, and thousand years like one day.

The prophecy surely has fulfilled as He has spoken and now we don't have much time left according to the prophecy. Only those who keep the Word of this prophesy book are blessed (See Rev. 1:3, 22:7).
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#183783 - 05/24/17 02:33 PM Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y]
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2,000 years is NOT "soon."
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#183784 - 05/24/17 10:07 PM Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y]
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"Soon" is only a heartbeat away.

When your heart stops beating, time for you stops, the next thing is the resurrection.




John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
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