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#184319 - 07/02/17 10:37 AM Re: Protestants renounce Protestantism [Re: dedication]
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As per your first three paragraphs, many of those going through so-called Protestant divinity programs have for all intents and purposes left the Bible behind. The following link is to a post-graduate thesis on Protestant churches and how the "new" Protestants think.

The author is lesbian pastor who completed her degree at George Fox University under the mentoring of Leonard Sweet.

#185115 - 09/10/17 10:57 PM Re: Protestants renounce Protestantism [Re: dedication]
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Catholics have printed a new book appealing to Protestants to reunite with them.

The 500th Anniversary of Protestantism celebration seems to be geared to ending the Protestantism and re-establishing one, papal led, religion.


Ecumenical Dialogue
500 Years
After the Reformation

(Here's the amazing write up on the book.)

“This year we commemorate the 500th anniversary of the Protestant Reformation. It is significant, and a sign of the times, that a Roman Catholic publisher has published Towards Unity: Ecumenical Dialogue 500 Years after the Reformation, Since the Reformation, Christian unity has suffered many failures. Yet, especially in more recent times, it has also celebrated encouraging successes. Disparate Christian traditions are beginning to trust each other. Will Christians eventually find one shared identity? On the eve of the 500th anniversary of the Reformation, this timely collection of essays by prominent Catholic and Protestant ecumenists witnesses a hope for a future Christian unity born out of 50 years of honest and genuine dialogue. Discerning, and clearly written, this book will appeal not only to academics, and ecumenists, but to all Christians who, reflecting on the conflicts borne of the Reformation, have come to believe that divisions among Christians go against the mind of Christ.”

But there are Catholic books that go beyond bringing Protestantism back "into their fold".

Interfaith Dialogue
A Catholic View

Seeks a unity with non Christian religions.

The book has inside titles such as:
Christians and Muslims Together; Creating a culture of Peace
Mary as a sign for the world according to Muslims.

What is revealing --
is that those books are doing what has been prophesied.
Their theme:
Let's dialogue and find the points upon which we can agree, and move ahead together toward "that transcendent goal that God has set for us."

Remember the phrase by EGW
" uniting upon such points of faith as are held by them in common"

When Protestant America renounces Protestantism and follows that papal blueprint uniting with Catholicism, they will follow the pope's agenda, and

Here is to be found an image of the papacy. When the churches of our land, uniting upon such points of faith as are held by them in common, shall influence the State to enforce their decrees and sustain their institutions, then will Protestant America have formed an image of the Roman hierarchy. Then the true church will be assailed by persecution, as were God's ancient people...

Let the principle once be established in the United States, that the church may employ or control the power of the State; that religious observances may be enforced by secular laws; in short, that the authority of church and State is to dominate the conscience, and the triumph of Rome in this country is assured. {GC88 580.3}
God's Word has given warning of the impending danger; let this be unheeded, and the Protestant world will learn what the purposes of Rome really are, only when it is too late to escape the snare
#185198 - 09/29/17 09:48 PM Re: Protestants renounce Protestantism [Re: dedication]
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As I said elsewhere, this is a definite sign on how much closer we are to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ!
In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

#185215 - 10/01/17 01:38 AM Re: Protestants renounce Protestantism [Re: dedication]
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Just reading the introduction to the new Sabbath School Quarterly on Romans and came to this paragraph describing the fall of Protestantism.
One that requires a dictionary to understand, but it sounds like it needed big words to describe protestants falling condition and what we are facing today.

Over the long years the Reformation stalled. In some places the progress was replaced by a cold formalism, in others people actually turned back to Rome. And now, in an age of ecumenism and pluralism, many of the distinctive truths that spurred the Reformation have become blurred, covered up under a fusillade of semantic chicanery that seeks to hide fundamental differences that have been resolved no more now than they were in Luther’s day. The prophecies of Daniel 7:23-25, 8:9-12, and Revelation 13; 14, as well as the great news of salvation by faith as found in the book of Romans show why those faithful to the Bible must firmly adhere to the truths that our Protestant forefathers defended, even at the cost of their lives.

We are Seventh-day Adventists, and we rest upon the principle of sola scriptura, Scripture alone; hence, we adamantly reject all attempts to draw Christians back to Rome and to pre-Reformation faith. On the contrary, Scripture points us in the opposite direction (Rev. 18:4), and in that direction we proceed as we proclaim “the everlasting gospel” (Rev. 14:6) to the world, the same everlasting gospel that inspired Luther 500 years ago.

The Reformation stalled.

That happened years ago.
Then back in the early 1800's there was a great revival -- the great awakening -- the Holy Spirit working to move the reformation forward. But it stalled again when the three angel's messages were largely rejected by Protestantism.
The Sunday tie with Rome remained unbroken.
It was the Sunday that stalled the reformation back in the council of Trent.
And it was again the Sunday that stalled Protestantism in the 1840's when the light from the heavenly sanctuary illuminated the Sabbath of God's commandments.

"people actually turned back to Rome"
Sunday sacredness...creates a bond of sympathy with Rome" {4SP 405.1} Also the forms and rituals to achieve holiness which the Catholic Church teaches, as led people back to Rome. Men like John Henry Newman, a leader in the Church of England, started to write on righteousness by faith and incorporated a lot of the Roman Catholic disciplines for holies – the asceticism, vows, fasting, long hours of seclusion and meditation, which seemed to him a helpful method to obtain greater holiness. He would say, look what the Catholics are doing to achieve holiness!
It’s interesting that these very disciplines are now invading Protestantism in a remarkably successful movement called “Spiritual formation”. Even Adventism is getting in on this wave. It carried Newman back into the Catholic Church, and it is carrying Protestantism back into unity with the Catholic Church.

in an age of ecumenism and pluralism
ecumenism -- let's unit on points we can agree upon, and join hands.
pluralism -- all religions have some truth, and are valuable
Both terms describe this age which seeks to promote unity and the putting aside differences.

the distinctive truths that spurred the Reformation have become blurred

What were these distinctive truths?
1) The Bible is the Word of authority, not tradition.
2) Salvation is by Faith in Christ our righteousness, it is not in merit systems, penance, works to earn salvation, or buying indulgences, or other contributions to purchase release from judgment, nor is it by an ongoing participation in the sacramental system. etc.
3) The pope is the antichrist of scripture.

covered up under a fusillade of semantic chicanery that seeks to hide fundamental differences
fusillade = a volley or shower of shots
semantic = the different meanings of words
chicanery = trickery, deceitful, duplicity

A lot of dialogue is going on where words are not given their true meanings and the sheer volume of this talk is deceiving people into thinking that the fundamental differences have somehow been resolved.

No, they are not resolved -- not at all.

The fundamental differences have been resolved no more now than they were in Luther’s day.
Every one of the key issues that spurred the Reformation are just as present today as they were in Luther's day.

And let it be remembered, it is the boast of Rome that she never changes.
She claims infallibility.

Union will not, however, be effected by a change in Catholicism, for Rome never changes. She claims infallibility. It is Protestantism that will change. The adoption of liberal ideas on its part will bring it where it can clasp the hand of Catholicism.--RH June 1, 1886. {
#185343 - 10/23/17 12:03 PM Re: Protestants renounce Protestantism [Re: dedication]
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I will never apologize for my protest against Rome! I was raised Roman Catholic and I'm so glad to have found the truth as it is in God's word.
#185369 - 10/29/17 02:39 AM Re: Protestants renounce Protestantism [Re: dedication]
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I agree, we must not apologize for separating from Rome --

The protest of Protestantism that is being ignored by the ecumenical leaders, is based on prophetic interpretation. The biggest threat is the religious CONTROL over all religions that Papal Rome insists is her right.

This is hugely ignored by the media and religious news reports. The conviction that gave the reformers the courage to fearlessly stand against the powerful church which claimed to have the very keys to heaven, was their prophetic understanding that the papacy was the very anti-Christ sitting in the temple of God, acting as if he had the powers of God.

Protestants became blind when they rejected historicist interpretation of prophecy and now they don't see what is coming.
The papal system has not hidden the fact that --

1. They are the MOTHER church, they insist they are NOT a "sister" church joining up with other "sister" churches.
(That fits Rev. 17 so perfectly I don't know why protestants don't see it)
2. The primacy of the pope is a non-negotiable part of Rome's conditions for ecumenical unity.
3. Protestants are returning to Rome -- Rome isn't joining Protestants.

“The pacific tone of Rome in the United States does not imply a change of heart. She is tolerant where she is helpless. Says Bishop O'Connor: ‘Religious liberty is merely endured until the opposite can be carried into effect without peril to the Catholic world.’” GC 565

Once Papal Rome gets control people will no longer have freedom to search for truth and follow it. Then the false doctrines of Rome will be enforced and become a major and dark issue.
#185408 - 11/07/17 09:23 AM Re: Protestants renounce Protestantism [Re: dedication]
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Originally Posted By: dedication
Protestant representatives will be in Europe in October 2017 to sign the agreement, ending the Protestant movement and also apologizing to the papacy for their protest.

October 31 of the year 1517 was the historic day that Martin Luther, the reformer, nailed his 95 theses against the corruptions, abuses and abominations of the Roman Catholic Church on the church door of Wittenberg.

October 31, 1517 is seen as a pivotal date marking the break-through of the Protestant Reformation in influencing the European religious world, which for centuries had been controlled by the papal church.

Wittenberg TODAY

Wittenberg is getting prepared by remodeling and gardening projects. There are posters everywhere announcing “Luther 2017, 500 years of Reformation.”

“One could almost say that the Catholic Church has set out from the path of the Counter-Reformation onto that of the Co-Reformation.” says Gerhard Feige, a Catholic ecumenical officer Bishop, in Magdeburg, Germany, to Luther2017.de.

From the declaration (FROM CONFLICT TO COMMUNION Lutheran-Catholic Common Commemoration of the Reformation in 2017}

Originally Posted By: from conflict to communion
“The awareness is dawning on Lutherans and Catholics that the struggle of the sixteenth century is over. The reasons for mutually condemning each other’s faith have fallen by the wayside. Thus, Lutherans and Catholics identify five imperatives as they commemorate 2017 together.”

“In 2017, we must confess openly that we have been guilty before Christ of damaging the unity of the church. This commemorative year presents us with two challenges: the purification and healing of memories, and the restoration of Christian unity in accordance with the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ (Eph 4:4–6).”

It is clear that 2017 marks an interesting year for the Catholic Church. First of all the Catholics will commemorate the 500th anniversary of the beginning of the Reformation. Secondly, it marks fifty years of Lutheran–Roman Catholic dialogue.

A year of events in approach to the anniversary itself opened on October 31, 2016, and will culminate on October 31, 2017.

May 2017 Pope Francis attended a joint Catholic-Lutheran commemoration of the Reformation leading in prayers asking forgiveness for the divisions perpetuated by Christians from two traditions.

The aim == to leave the past behind and focus on common ground, bringing "unity".

I remember -- fifty years ago people thought all this was impossible. Now it's coming -- yet people still scoff at the warnings in scripture and the testimonies, and embrace the "unity of churches" as truth.

All Heaven may cry over this one.
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