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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #174660
06/27/15 01:14 PM
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"In the last conflict the Sabbath will be the special point of controversy throughout all Christendom….In the issue of the contest all Christendom will be divided into two great classes-- those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and those who worship the beast and his image and receive his mark" - Maranatha pg. 188


The cause of the fourth plague is because of the Baal (Sunday) worship. The sun, moon and the stars are showing signs of trouble -"a third part of it, darkened" (Rev. 8:12). Sun scorching hot with heat and people stroked with the heat waves.
Are we not seeing the fourth plague falling yet even there was hundreds people died last week in Pakistan?

Let the fourth trumpet blow the sound to warn the world and call people out of the Spiritual Babylon! The warfare of the Sabbath of the fourth commandment is sure point of the great issue.

The Baal worship came into church which signified by Jezebel in the fourth church. During the Dark Ages the saints were killed by the beast power of the fourth seal (Rev. 6:8).

The seat of the beast is full of darkness and tormented with pain. This is the fifth plague upon the beast (Rev. 16:10). Why do they deserve the plague? It is because they prevented men not to receive the seal of God. Thus the torment is warned by the fifth trumpet (Rev. 9:5).

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #174776
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"It will be declared that men are offending God by the violation of the Sunday-sabbath, that this sin has brought calamities which will not cease until Sunday observance shall be strictly enforced…" The Great Controversy pg. 590


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"On June 18, 2015, Vatican PR officially released in multiple languages Pope Francis's much-anticipated 183-page encyclical addressing climate change titled "Praised Be"- a title based on an ancient song called "Canticle of the Sun" attributed to St. Francis of Assisi written in 1224 A.D. Significantly, the Pope's encyclical includes a strong appeal to keep Sunday." advindicate.com/articles/2015/6/28/the-popes-encyclical-and-the-mark-of-the-beast


The enforcing of the Sunday-sabbath will bring the “calamities”, which means that the calamities usher to the final fourth plague. We have already eye witnessed so many “calamities” that caused by the “sun scorching men with fire” (Rev. 16:8-9).

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“In accidents and calamities by sea and by land in great conflagrations, in fierce tornadoes and terrific hailstorms, in tempests, floods, cyclones, tidal waves, and earthquakes, in every place and in a thousand forms,...”
The Great Controversy pg. 589


The planet earth is in crisis due to the heavenly bodies are working so unnatural. Enforcing the Sunday observance is the original cause. God is revealing this issue so clearly in the fourth plague. It is blaspheming God when men insist their own way of the Sunday observance.

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“And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, …” Rev. 16:9

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“In his encyclical, Pope Francis promotes “the Sunday-sabbath”(EGW) which, he states, if observed more fully, would help “heal our relationships with God, with ourselves, with others and with the world” (Pope). Humanity would thus stop “offending God”(EGW), until they finally “yield to the popular demand for a law enforcing Sunday observance”(EGW) to help save the planet.”- Advindicate.com-The Pope’s Encyclical And The Mark Of The Beast.

The fourth plague, we see, the “calamities” already upon the earth.
In the fourth church, the Baal worship (Sunday observance) came in which signified by Jezebel’s attempt.
In the fourth seal, power was given unto the pale horse to “kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth” (Rev. 6:8). We know that this has happened during the Dark Ages.
The fourth trumpet has to be present and future event. Notice, it is talking about “the sun was smitten” (Rev. 8:12), which entails to false worship. Thus the fourth trumpet message is to warn the world that the Seventh-Day Sabbath (Saturday) is the true Sabbath. Please do not blaspheme the name of God by enforcing the Sunday observance of Sabbath.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #174910
07/03/15 08:31 PM
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Interesting use of fractions.

Re 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;

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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #174953
07/05/15 03:23 AM
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“These plagues are not universal, or the inhabitants of the earth would be wholly cut off. Yet they will be the most awful scourges that have ever been known to mortals.” – The Great Controversy, 629


In the warning of the second trumpet, the one third denotes a partial impact. Otherwise, whole inhabitants would be cut off. An apparent correlation to the second plague obviously voiced in the second trumpet as “the sea became blood” (Rev. 8:8).

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“And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea” Rev. 16:3


The seawater become deadly as plague because “For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy” (Rev. 16:6). “…Thou art righteous, O Lord, …because thou hast judged thus” (Rev. 16:5).

How much shed the blood of saints? The power “was given to him”, which the red horse in the second seal, “was given unto him a great sword” (Rev. 6:4). Thus Jesus says to the second church of Smyrna, “Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life” (Rev. 2:10)

The “third part of the sea became blood;” (Rev. 8:8) indicates that the ocean foods are not safe to consume. It will turn out to be deadly. Let this be the trumpet sound to warn the world for the harm of the sea has begun.

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“Indeed, it has begun already; the judgments of God are now upon the land, to give us warning, that we may know what is coming.” – Maranatha pg. 200


The four angels on the four corners of the earth are releasing their hold, and “hurt the earth and the sea” has begun.

“…having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and THE SEA, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.” Rev. 7:2,3

The four angels were command to hold until “the servants of our God” would be sealed. The end of the probation is fast approaching. Each of the trumpet sound is about the four angels are releasing their hold and “hurt the earth and the sea” occur. Notice in the sixth trumpet that the four angels that are bound in the river Euphrates was commanded to “loose” their hold.

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“And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates” Rev. 9:13-14.


The voice came from the altar means the voice of God. After the release of the four angels, “and with them they DO HURT” (Rev. 9:19) has occurred.

Overall, the first four trumpets declare about the earth, the sea, the rivers and fountains of water, and the heavenly bodies have begun the process of the HURT. These impacts are in the physical phenomenon of the natural world.

The next three of the HURT are spiritual. The spiritual disasters are worse trouble than the physical conditions. No wonder why it is said, “woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels,” (Rev. 8:13).

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“Solemn events before us are yet to transpire. Trumpet after trumpet is to be sounded, vial after vial poured out one after another upon the inhabitants of the earth. Scenes of stupendous interest are right upon us” – Maranatha pg. 257

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #175043
07/06/15 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted By: Karen Y
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“These plagues are not universal, or the inhabitants of the earth would be wholly cut off. Yet they will be the most awful scourges that have ever been known to mortals.” – The Great Controversy, 629


In the warning of the second trumpet, the one third denotes a partial impact. Otherwise, whole inhabitants would be cut off. An apparent correlation to the second plague obviously voiced in the second trumpet as “the sea became blood” (Rev. 8:8).

Quote:
“And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea” Rev. 16:3


The seawater become deadly as plague because “For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy” (Rev. 16:6). “…Thou art righteous, O Lord, …because thou hast judged thus” (Rev. 16:5).
I think this is the only place where there could be said a difference between the trumpets and the plagues. The one a third died, the other, every living soul died. Other than that appearing to be discrepancy, the rest is in harmony.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: kland] #175091
07/08/15 03:26 AM
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- Kland-I think this is the only place where there could be said a difference between the trumpets and the plagues. The one a third died, the other, every living soul died. Other than that appearing to be discrepancy, the rest is in harmony.


I believe that God has His divine order in the way it says that. I'm prayerfully asking God to give us a clear understanding.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #175285
07/13/15 04:21 AM
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The fourth plague poured upon men as a result of the blasphemy of the name of God. The Scripture is clear that the seventh day Sabbath observance is ordained in the creation.
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Gen. 2:1-3 “Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.”


The seventh day Sabbath is a sign between God and His people.
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Ezekiel 20:20 “And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the Lord your God.”


Can men change God’s holy day, the seventh day Sabbath? That would be a blaspheming the name of God. However, the beast power “think to change times and laws;” (Dan. 7:25) and enforces the mark of the beast, which is the counterfeit of the seal of God, the Sabbath. No wonder that the seat of the beast deserves the fifth plague because he forbid men to receive the seal of God.

Rev. 16:10 “And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast;…”

Notice the fifth plague that the kingdom of the beast would not repent even they “gnawed their tongues with pain” but still “blasphemed the God of heaven”.

Quote:
Rev. 16:10, 11 “And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast;
and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.”


Whoever does not receive the seal of God, they would be tormented as to seek death and desire to die, but death shall flee from them. This is what the fifth trumpet is talking about.

There was a command in the fifth trumpet not to hurt men with the seal God in their foreheads but only those without.

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Rev. 9:4 “And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.”

Rev. 9:6 “And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.”

The seal of God, the Sabbath, is the truth that torments them. They would have rejoiced if they could get rid of the Sabbath keepers who are the cause of their torment. Rev. 11:10 “And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets (the word of God or the truth) tormented them that dwelt on the earth.”
In the fifth seal, the martyrs of the Lord cry under the altar saying, “How long, O Lord, …dost thou not judge and avenge our blood” (Rev. 6:9-10).

Notice in the fifth church, there were men who are worthy to walk with Jesus because they defiled not their garments. During the reformation church period, many became martyrs of the Lord for truth. In our days, the trumpet must make a certain sound to exodus people from the kingdom of the beast. Rev. 18:4, “And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.”

Many would come out from the kingdom of the beast by the trumpet sound. The fifth plague is already upon the seat of the beast. Their kingdom is now full of darkness. Let the seven trumpets blast its sound!

Who prohibits receiving the seal of God? The beast power that received their power from the dragon says the Scripture. Rev. 13:2,4 “…the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority… the dragon which gave power unto the beast:”. They are to destroy people by forbidding the seal of God. They have a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, Abaddon or Apollyon, which means a destroyer. So the fifth trumpet is clearly indicated that the destroyer has the key of the bottomless pit. This is none other than the fallen star from heaven, which is the Devil, the Satan.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #175420
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The fifth plague is poured out to the seat of the beast. There exists “full of names of blasphemy” (Rev. 17:3). In the kingdom of the beast, many of the “martyrs of Jesus” (Rev. 17:6) evidently exist. Thus the martyrs cry out, “How long, O Lord,.. does thou not judge and avenge our blood” (Rev. 6:10) at the fifth seal.

The martyrs are worthy to walk with Jesus because they defiled not their garments of the fifth church.

Behold the woman of the harlot where the fifth plague is poured out; she is fulfilling the prophecy “until the words of God shall be fulfilled” (Rev. 17:17)!

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Rev. 1:3 "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand"


Quote:
Rev. 13:18 "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast:…"


The time is at hand! The star that fell from heaven in the fifth trumpet is the Devil, the Satan who is unleashing the earth through the beast power so people may not receive the seal of God.

Let us blow the trumpet's certain sound!

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #175511
07/21/15 03:33 AM
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The Satan’s alliance is the beast that endeavors to prevent mankind to receive the seal of God. The beast has received his power from the dragon (Rev. 13:2, 4). God has given a space to repent but “repented not” (Rev. 2:21). The kingdom of the beast will not repent even with “gnawed their tongues for pain” but “blasphemed the God of heaven” (Rev. 16:10, 11).

Martyrs of the Lord appeared even where Satan’s seat was. Antipas the faithful martyr of Christ came out from where the Satan’s seat was (Rev. 2:13). The martyrs of the fifth seal cry out, “How long, O Lord,…avenge our blood” (Rev. 6:10).

Notice that the fifth plague that poured out upon the seat of the beast. God has heard the cries of the martyrs and His judgment has executed to them for “they have shed the blood of saints and prophets”(Rev. 16:6).

Those who are worthy to walk with Christ “which they have not defiled their garments” (Rev. 3:4) in the fifth church of the Sardis are the martyrs. There were many martyrs during the Reformation Church era. And there will be many more come out as martyrs from the kingdom of the beast at the end.

The fifth trumpet is alarming to the “inhabiters of the earth” (Rev. 8:13) that the fallen star from the heaven will open the bottomless pit to let his associate to unleash the earth with spiritual delusional deceptions except those who have “the seal of God in their foreheads” (Rev. 9:4). Those who fall into this deception will “seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them” (Rev. 9:6) because they would not repent even with “gnawed their tongues for pain” (Rev. 16:10).

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #175598
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The beast originated from the “Satan’s seat” which is the fallen star from heaven (Rev. 9:1) that has “the key of the bottomless pit” (Rev. 9:1). Rev. 11:7 “…the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit” and Rev. 17:8 “The beast…shall ascend out of the bottomless pit…” are the associates of the Satan.

The beast with “full of names of blasphemy” (Rev. 17:3) must receive just due. Rev. 18:6 “Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: …” It is awe to discern what the beast does. The kingdom of the beast is “drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus” (Rev. 17:6) and “was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth” (Rev. 18:24).

Rev. 16:5,6 “…Thou art righteous, O Lord, …because thou hast judged thus. For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.”

The fifth trumpet is alarming to the “inhabiters of the earth” (Rev. 8:13) that the fallen star from the heaven will open the bottomless pit to let his associate to unleash the earth with spiritual delusional deceptions except those who have “the seal of God in their foreheads” (Rev. 9:4). Those who fall into his deception will “seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them” (Rev. 9:6) because they would not repent even with “gnawed their tongues for pain” (Rev. 16:10).

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