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2nd Quarter 2018 - Preparation for the End Time #186389
04/08/18 08:51 PM
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We are now into the second lesson study on Preparation for the End Time.

The link to the studies for this second quarter is:

http://www.ssnet.org/lessons/18b/


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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2018 - Preparation for the End Time [Re: Daryl] #186390
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The link to this week's study on Daniel and the End Time is:

http://www.ssnet.org/lessons/18b/less02.html


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Re: 2nd Quarter 2018 - Preparation for the End Time [Re: Daryl] #186420
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The link to this week's study on Daniel and the End Time is:

http://www.ssnet.org/lessons/18b/less03.html

The lesson study title is "Jesus and the Book of Revelation"


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Re: 2nd Quarter 2018 - Preparation for the End Time [Re: Daryl] #186451
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Originally Posted By: Daryl
The link to this week's study on Daniel and the End Time is:

http://www.ssnet.org/lessons/18b/less03.html

The lesson study title is "Jesus and the Book of Revelation"


Tuesday's lesson is about the sanctuary motif in the book; but goes further by proposing there was an inauguration of the Christ in the heavenly sanctuary, for which it offers VERY lame evidence in a single sentence.

"Soon after His ascension, Christ was inaugurated in the Holy Place of the heavenly temple, through this first open door. When Christ first appears in the book of Revelation, He is standing before the lamp-stands of the first apartment in the heavenly sanctuary."

ON THE CONTRARY:
  1. Christ said the lamp-stands were symbolic of the church on earth
  2. Christ among the lamp-stands therefore does NOT reveal a Christ ministering in a heavenly sanctuary after a supposed inauguration.
Rather, the entire vision:
  1. of Him, His exceedingly bright Divine glory,
  2. the trumpet sound of His voice,
  3. the sword out of His mouth "with which to strike the nations" (Rev. 19:15),
  4. the lamp-stands below the bright light of the angels, and
  5. John's response (falling as though dead)
... meant that this was the vision equivalent of the statement in Rev. 1:7-8, "Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, says the Lord, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

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He was coming against the world and the church IN JUDGMENT. Besides, He repeatedly said so Himself throughout the seven messages that are integral to understanding this first symbolic appearance in the book.

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2018 - Preparation for the End Time [Re: Daryl] #186454
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I don't know if you are familiar with Adam Clarke's Bible Commentary, but this is what he has to say about Revelation 1:12 and 13.

And I turned For he had heard the voice behind him. To see the voice; i.e., the person from whom the voice came.

Seven golden candlesticks - Ἑπτα λυχνιας χρυσας· Seven golden lamps. It is absurd to say, a golden silver, or brazen candlestick. These seven lamps represented the seven Churches, in which the light of God was continually shining, and the love of God continually burning. And they are here represented as golden, to show how precious they were in the sight of God. This is a reference to the temple at Jerusalem, where there was a candlestick or chandelier of seven branches; or rather six branches; three springing out on either side, and one in the center. See Exo_25:31-37. This reference to the temple seems to intimate that the temple of Jerusalem was a type of the whole Christian Church.

Like unto the Son of man - This seems a reference to Dan_7:13. This was our blessed Lord himself, Rev_1:18.

Clothed with a garment down to the foot - This is a description of the high priest, in his sacerdotal robes. See these described at large in the notes on Exodus 28:4, etc., Jesus is our high priest, even in heaven. He is still discharging the sacerdotal functions before the throne of God.

Golden girdle - The emblem both of regal and sacerdotal dignity.



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Re: 2nd Quarter 2018 - Preparation for the End Time [Re: James Peterson] #186455
04/21/18 11:37 PM
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Yes, Tuesday's lesson is about the sanctuary motif in the book of Revelation. The problem was, it only had a few short paragraphs on a vast subject, thus could hardly do justice to this truth that is the bases of the whole book of Revelation.

The sentence:
"When Christ first appears in the book of Revelation, He is standing before the lamp-stands of the first apartment in the heavenly sanctuary."

You are right --
the lampstands in chapter one symbolize the churches.
Each of the seven churches is given a message, and there is a warning that their lampstand would be removed if they didn't repent, and also promises to those who "overcome by the blood of the Lamb". (promises to overcomers compared with Rev. 12:11)

But remember Christ is the light of the world. The churches have no light of their own. Their light comes only when they are in connection with Christ. They need "oil" which represents the Holy Spirit, in order to "shine".

IN CHAPTER ONE


Christ is seen dressed in priestly garments:
A robe reaching to the feet and a sash were both prescribed for priests in the Mosaic tabernacle (see Lev. 16:3, Exodus 28:4, 29:5) In the earthly sanctuary, one of the Priest's duties was to keep the lamps burning.

Also, in chapter one, John sees Christ in His glorified body. This is not yet the second coming, but, as you noted in His characteristics, it is the same Christ who will come the second time.
However, first He reveals what would commence in the intervening years and the work of saving as many people as possible, for the dragon would fight fiercely to maintain control of this world.

THE INAUGURATION


This is revealed in chapters 4 and 5.

1.There we see God on His throne.

2.There are twenty four elders.
Matt. 27:52-53 tells us certain godly people were resurrected with Jesus at His resurrection. These ascended with Him to heaven, as trophies of His victory over death and the grave.

3. We see a sealed book that can't be opened.
This is a case for weeping and much consternation.
But ONE is worthy to take that book!
It is his life, death and resurrection that makes Him worthy.

The 24 elders testify of this:
"Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood "

4. In chapter four we also see seven lamp stands -- these are not the same as the candlesticks in chapter one. Scripture says they are the "seven spirits". Scripture also says there is only one Spirit, so why seven? They represent the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the seven churches!

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Christ's ascension to heaven was the signal that His followers were to receive the promised blessing of the Holy Spirit. For this they were to wait before they entered upon their work.
When Christ passed within the heavenly gates, He was enthroned amidst the adoration of the angels. As soon as this ceremony was completed, the Holy Spirit descended upon the disciples in rich currents, and Christ was indeed glorified, even with the glory which He had with the Father from all eternity. The Pentecostal outpouring was Heaven's communication that the Redeemer's inauguration was accomplished.
According to His promise He had sent the Holy Spirit from heaven to His followers as a token that He had, as priest and king, received all authority in heaven and on earth, and was the Anointed One over His people.


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Re: 2nd Quarter 2018 - Preparation for the End Time [Re: Daryl] #186461
04/22/18 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted By: Daryl
I don't know if you are familiar with Adam Clarke's Bible Commentary, but this is what he has to say about Revelation 1:12 and 13.

And I turned For he had heard the voice behind him. To see the voice; i.e., the person from whom the voice came.

Seven golden candlesticks - Ἑπτα λυχνιας χρυσας· Seven golden lamps. It is absurd to say, a golden silver, or brazen candlestick. These seven lamps represented the seven Churches, in which the light of God was continually shining, and the love of God continually burning. And they are here represented as golden, to show how precious they were in the sight of God. This is a reference to the temple at Jerusalem, where there was a candlestick or chandelier of seven branches; or rather six branches; three springing out on either side, and one in the center. See Exo_25:31-37. This reference to the temple seems to intimate that the temple of Jerusalem was a type of the whole Christian Church.

Like unto the Son of man - This seems a reference to Dan_7:13. This was our blessed Lord himself, Rev_1:18.

Clothed with a garment down to the foot - This is a description of the high priest, in his sacerdotal robes. See these described at large in the notes on Exodus 28:4, etc., Jesus is our high priest, even in heaven. He is still discharging the sacerdotal functions before the throne of God.

Golden girdle - The emblem both of regal and sacerdotal dignity.


  1. I never read Adam Clarke but his interpretation of that first vision using the Torah as a guide was not wise. The garments worn by the Son of Man in the vision were not symbolic of Christ ministering to the Church as High Priest, but about Him coming in judgment against it and the world in which it was. Because the seven angels bearing the responsibility of pouring out the seven last plagues were dressed the same way: "And out of the temple came the seven angels having the seven plagues, clothed in pure bright linen, and having their chests girded with golden bands." (Rev. 15:6)
     
  2. His interpretation of gold is not right either. He said, "And they are here represented as golden, to show how precious they were in the sight of God." Well, not only were the lamp-stands, representing the church, gold -- but also the bowls of the wrath of God without mercy. In what way does a golden bowl of merciless wrath "show how precious that wrath is"?
     
    Rather, the gold and the white colors indicate that the objects are heavenly or were heavenly. We know this because, at the end, when the Bride was ready, "to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints." (Rev. 19:8) And the New Jerusalem "was pure gold, like clear glass." (21:18)
     
  3. If Jesus Christ said that the menorah seen on earth was symbolic of the church and the angel speaking to John told him the menorah seen in heaven was symbolic of "the seven spirits of God", then we know that the menorahs John was seeing were not LITERAL references to REAL objects but symbols of ideas being conveyed in vision: namely, the Church and the Holy Spirit.
     
    No one argues that Jesus Christ has morphed into a LITERAL Lamb with seven horns and eyes, do they? "And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth."
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Re: 2nd Quarter 2018 - Preparation for the End Time [Re: dedication] #186466
04/22/18 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted By: dedication

Christ is seen dressed in priestly garments: A robe reaching to the feet and a sash were both prescribed for priests in the Mosaic tabernacle (see Lev. 16:3, Exodus 28:4, 29:5) In the earthly sanctuary, one of the Priest's duties was to keep the lamps burning.


The vision was not about sacerdotal ministry, but the coming judgment:

1. The voice like a trumpet
2. The sword out of His mouth
3. His Eyes like flames of fire

The Son of Man was dressed IN THE EXACT SAME MANNER as the angels of the last plagues: "Out of the temple came the seven angels having the seven plagues, clothed in pure bright linen, and having their chests girded with golden bands." Rev. 15:6

Compare theirs to His garments: "In the midst of the seven lamp-stands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band." Rev. 1:13

The garments were NOT sacerdotal but were visual clues that those so clothed were heavenly beings making their appearance in judgment. All these elements are brought together in dramatic fashion towards the end of the Book (Rev. 19:11-16):

"Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war.
  1. His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself.
  2. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
  3. And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.
  4. Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron.
  5. He Himself treads the wine-press of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS."
The first vision of Revelation is about God making known to His people the things that were soon coming against the earth and its inhabitants.

Amos 3:1-8

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2018 - Preparation for the End Time [Re: Daryl] #186469
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If I remember correctly -- you, James follow a preterits' type of interpretation of these prophecies. Not sure what line of preterism you adhere to, or whether you just partially or fully follow that interpretation. Just trying to understand where you are coming from.

For awhile it didn't make sense how you could see Rev. 1 as actually being "Christ's second coming" until I remembered preterits' tend to believe Revelation was fulfilled back in the 1st century. That understanding has a very different idea of Christ’s second coming, and sees the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 as “Judgment Day”, the fulfillment of the prophecies.

My major concern right now --

THIS THREAD IS TO STUDY THE LESSON from week to week, the subject being-- preparing for the end time, believing that Jesus will literally come in the near future. It is not a thread on the interpretations of Revelation, except as it pertains to our preparation for the future.

Revelation is not just about the judgment but also about JESUS and His work of preparing us for life eternal and enabling us to stand in that day.

The white robe is symbolic of purity -- white robes are also given to the saints, (see Rev. 6:11 and 7:9) who will reign with Jesus as priests and kings.

And the sword from the mouth -- is the word of God: (Ephesians 6:17) For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword (Heb. 4:12)
God's word is able to penetrate to the heart and convict a person. That is why you find those hearing Peter's message responding, "Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart" (Acts 2:37).

Will that "sword" convict and change us now, preparing us for the end time, or will that "sword" overwhelm us at the second coming with guilt because we neglected so great a salvation, and we are not saved?


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Re: 2nd Quarter 2018 - Preparation for the End Time [Re: dedication] #186471
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Originally Posted By: dedication
If I remember correctly -- you, James follow a preterits' type of interpretation of these prophecies. Not sure what line of preterism you adhere to, or whether you just partially or fully follow that interpretation. Just trying to understand where you are coming from.

For awhile it didn't make sense how you could see Rev. 1 as actually being "Christ's second coming" until I remembered preterits' tend to believe Revelation was fulfilled back in the 1st century. That understanding has a very different idea of Christ’s second coming, and sees the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 as “Judgment Day”, the fulfillment of the prophecies.

A resort to "slapping on labels" is tacit admission that you are unable to respond. You become like the Jews who answered and said to Jesus, "Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?" You can read the exchange between them in John 8:12-59. To a Jew, what does the "Samaritan" label imply?


Originally Posted By: dedication
My major concern right now --

THIS THREAD IS TO STUDY THE LESSON from week to week, the subject being-- preparing for the end time, believing that Jesus will literally come in the near future. It is not a thread on the interpretations of Revelation, except as it pertains to our preparation for the future.

Revelation is not just about the judgment but also about JESUS and His work of preparing us for life eternal and enabling us to stand in that day.

How can you advise anyone how to prepare for the future without offering them your interpretation of Revelation? The contents of this quarter's lesson proves such an attempt nearly impossible, drawing substantially from the book as it does:
  • The Cosmic Controversy • Mar 31 - Apr 6
  • Daniel and the End Time • April 7 - 13
  • Jesus and the Book of Revelation • Apr 14 - 20
  • Salvation and the End Time • April 21 - 27
  • Christ in the Heavenly Sanctuary • Apr 28
  • The "Change" of the Law • May 5 - 11
  • Matthew 24, 25 • May 12 - 18
  • Worship the Creator • May 19 - 25
  • End-Time Deceptions • May 26 - June 1
  • America and Babylon • June 2 - 8
  • God's Seal or the Beast's Mark? • June 9 - 15
  • Babylon and Armageddon • June 16 - 22
  • The Return of our Lord Jesus • June 23 - 29
Besides, at the end, Jesus Christ even said, "Behold, I am coming quickly! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book." Rev. 22:7

Originally Posted By: dedication
The white robe is symbolic of purity -- white robes are also given to the saints, (see Rev. 6:11 and 7:9) who will reign with Jesus as priests and kings.

And the sword from the mouth -- is the word of God: (Ephesians 6:17) For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword (Heb. 4:12)
God's word is able to penetrate to the heart and convict a person. That is why you find those hearing Peter's message responding, "Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart" (Acts 2:37).

Will that "sword" convict and change us now, preparing us for the end time, or will that "sword" overwhelm us at the second coming with guilt because we neglected so great a salvation, and we are not saved?

Within the context of Revelation:
  1. The gifts of white robes to many at once is symbolic of their new, heavenly and eternal life; and of an event that implies judgment against the world. Rev. 19:6-8
     
  2. The "sword from the mouth" is not about conviction in the conventional sense of the word but about the Divine word of executive judgment. The very mouth that gives life, pronounces death. Rev. 19:15

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2018 - Preparation for the End Time [Re: dedication] #186472
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Originally Posted By: dedication
THIS THREAD IS TO STUDY THE LESSON from week to week, the subject being-- preparing for the end time ...

You raise a very important point which I like. I was wondering, as the posts were made pointing to the lesson for each week, why no one ever responded. This is a forum, it is not? And a forum is a space for lively interactions: propositions, discussions and civil arguments.

Learning is not achieved by going into a cave and listening to the echo of your own voice. Rather, it presumes external input from diverse sources filtered by your intelligence. And intelligence is not a trap-door, but an osmotic membrane. How intelligent are you?

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2018 - Preparation for the End Time [Re: Daryl] #186473
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Here is the link to this week's study under the title of "Salvation and the End Time":

http://www.ssnet.org/lessons/18b/less04.html


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Re: 2nd Quarter 2018 - Preparation for the End Time [Re: Daryl] #186474
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Sunday's link on "The Love of the Father":
http://www.ssnet.org/lessons/18b/less04.html#sun

Monday's link on "The Love of Christ":
http://www.ssnet.org/lessons/18b/less04.html#mon

Tuesday's (today's) link on "The Love of the Spirit":
http://www.ssnet.org/lessons/18b/less04.html#tue


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From Monday's study:

Christ was eternal and not dependent upon anyone or anything for His existence. He was God — not the mere outward appearance of God but God Himself. His essential nature was divine and eternal. Jesus retained that divinity but became a human being in order to keep the law in human flesh and to die as a Substitute for all those who have broken the law, which is all of us (Rom. 3:23) .

Christ became human, without any advantage over other humans. He kept God’s law, not through His internal divine power but by relying upon the same external divine power available to any other human.

Jesus was fully God and fully human. This means that the One who upholds “all things by the word of his power” (Heb. 1:3) was the same One who was found as a “babe lying in a manger” (Luke 2:16). This means that the One who “is before all things, and in Him all things consist” (Col. 1:17, NKJV) is the same One who, as a human child, “increased in wisdom and stature” (Luke 2:52). This means that the One without whom “nothing was made that was made” (John 1:3, NKJV) was the same One who was “murdered by hanging on a tree” (Acts 5:30, NKJV).

If all this reveals to us Christ’s love for us, and Christ’s love for us is but a manifestation of the Father’s love for us, then no wonder we have so many reasons to rejoice and be thankful!


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Re: 2nd Quarter 2018 - Preparation for the End Time [Re: Daryl] #186479
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Originally Posted By: dearyl
Christ was eternal and not dependent upon anyone or anything for His existence. He was God — not the mere outward appearance of God but God Himself. His essential nature was divine and eternal. Jesus retained that divinity but became a human being in order to keep the law in human flesh and to die as a Substitute for all those who have broken the law, which is all of us (Rom. 3:23)
Of course, this is commentary of the author. "God Himself". What does this mean? His nature is that of His Father. The supporting verses given:

The supporting texts before this comment are:

John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (2) The same was in the beginning with God. (3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelled among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Philippians 2:5-8 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: (6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: (7) But made himself of no reputation, and took on him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: (8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient to death, even the death of the cross.


Yes, Jesus is the Son of God according to John 1:14, He was equal with God according to Philippians 2:6, He has life in Himself, He is self-existent, John 5:26 For as the Father has life in himself; so has he given to the Son to have life in himself; But "God Himself" only in nature, not in personality. Quoting Ellen White (note Daryl, this is a quote): There is no one who can explain the mystery of the incarnation of Christ. Yet we know that He came to this earth and lived as a man among men. The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, yet Christ and the Father are one. {Ms140-1903} John 3:16 For God [The FATHER] so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. He was one with his Father not as being one being, or one god, but one is purpose, goals, and Spirit just as we are to be one with God, see John 17.

From Ellen White (note Daryl this is a quote) Christ came to represent the Father. We behold in him the image of the invisible God. [The FATHER] ... The Father was revealed in Christ as altogether a different being from that which Satan had represented him to be. Said Christ, "Neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him." ... Christ exalted the character of God [The FATHER], attributing to him the praise, and giving to him the credit, of the whole purpose of his own mission on earth,--to set men right through the revelation of God [The FATHER]. In Christ was arrayed before men the paternal grace and the matchless perfections of the Father [GOD]. In his prayer just before his crucifixion, he declared, "I have manifested thy name." "I have glorified thee on the earth; I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do." When the object of his mission was attained,--the revelation of God to the world,--the Son of God announced that his work was accomplished, and that the character of the Father [GOD] was made manifest to men. {ST, January 20, 1890}


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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John 16:28: "I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father."

That verse caused me to consider that is it possible, being the first and only begotten son, it is referring to the specific incarnation of God? The condition of which is permanent and everlasting of which, such condition never existed before? (Incarnation meaning, birth by a human)

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Originally Posted By: kland
John 16:28: "I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father."

That verse caused me to consider that is it possible, being the first and only begotten son, it is referring to the specific incarnation of God? The condition of which is permanent and everlasting of which, such condition never existed before? (Incarnation meaning, birth by a human)


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Originally Posted By: kland
John 16:28: "I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father."

That verse caused me to consider that is it possible, being the first and only begotten son, it is referring to the specific incarnation of God? The condition of which is permanent and everlasting of which, such condition never existed before? (Incarnation meaning, birth by a human)
Interesting thought! I think it is part of a subject God's redeemed will continue to study and marvel over throughout eternity.

The sequence of the verse shows Christ coming forth FROM God into the world. This definitely relates to His coming into this world through the incarnation in human flesh! Then leaving this world and returning to the Father, yet we are also told He forever retains His humanity.

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TUESDAY'S LESSON

That one is about the Holy Spirit.

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Scripture proves His personhood. Christians are baptized in His name along with the Father and Son (Matt. 28:19) . The Spirit glorifies Christ (John 16:14) . The Spirit convicts people (John 16:8) . He can be grieved (Eph. 4:30) . He is a Comforter (John 14:16) , Helper (NKJV) , Counselor (RSV) . He teaches (Luke 12:12) , intercedes (Rom. 8:26), and sanctifies (1 Pet. 1:2) . Christ said the Spirit guides people into all truth (John 16:13) .

In short, the Holy Spirit is God, as are the Father and the Son. Together, they are One God.

Everything the Spirit does reveals divine love. What are some of the things He does? Luke 12:12, John 16:8-13, Acts 13:2.

The greatest evidence that the Holy Spirit is God is the incarnation of Christ. Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit (Matt. 1:20) . Only God could “create” like that.

The Holy Spirit is able to perform two opposite miracles for Christ. First, He brought the omnipresent Christ into the womb of Mary. Christ ascended bodily to heaven in a human body, confined within that body. Second, the Spirit brings Christ confined by His humanity and, in another inexplicable miracle, makes Him present to Christians around the world.

Thus, the Holy Spirit, along with the Father and the Son, is working in our behalf. “The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave Themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption”. — Ellen G. White, Counsels on Health, p. 222.


Jesus made an interesting comment:


Matt. 12: 31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy [against] the [Holy] Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the [world] to come.

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1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

John 14:6 AKJV Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me.

Ephesians 4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as you are called in one hope of your calling; (5) One Lord, one faith, one baptism, (6) One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.


There are two spirits in the world, the Spirit of Christ and the spirit of antichrist.{RH, June 10, 1890 par. 2}

We want the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus Christ. {Lt66-1894}

The creation story was given for the purpose of helping us, not only understand our origin, but to help us understand the pattern of the heavenly family. Adam represents God the Father and Eve represents Jesus Christ.

From the creation story we know that Adam is the father and source of all human beings including Eve. Eve on the other hand is the mother of ALL human beings except TWO, Adam and herself.

Similarily God is the Father and source of all beings (divine or created). So God the Father is the father and source of ALL beings including Jesus (1 Corinthians 8:6; Ephesians 4:6). Jesus on the other hand is father of all beings EXCEPT TWO, God the Father and Jesus Himself.

The bible clearly teaches that Jesus is the literal Son of God. That does not make Him a lesser God just as Eve was not a lessor human being just because she came out of Adam

Deuteronomy 6:4; Matthew 8:29; Mark 12:28-34; John 17:3; Romans 3:30; 1 Corinthians 1:3; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Galatians 1:3; Ephesians 4:4-6; Philippians 1:2; Colossians 1:19; 1 Timothy 1:17; 1 Timothy 2:5; James 2:19; 1 John 1:3; Jude 1:4



Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Also from Tuesday's study is the following EGW quote:

“The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave Themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption.” Counsels on Health – 222.2


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Originally Posted By: Daryl
Also from Tuesday's study is the following EGW quote: “The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave Themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption.” Counsels on Health – 222.2

That is a difficult pill to swallow.
  1. John, speaking of Jesus Christ, said, "ALL THINGS were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made." John 1:2
     
  2. Paul goes even further in his song, "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him ALL THINGS were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. ALL THINGS were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist." Col. 1:15-17
     
  3. And again, speaking about Jesus Christ, "For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, and by Him to reconcile ALL THINGS to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross." Col. 1:19-20
The Trinity is one of those doctrines that the human mind devised out of adoration for all things Divine, or related to the Divine. The Assumption of Mary is another example. Akin to both is the veneration of "the saints". So do people imagine a place for "THE Holy Spirit" on the left-hand of God; even though the Bible explicitly says that:

Originally Posted By: 1 Cor. 15:27
[The Father] has put ALL THINGS under [His Son's] feet. But when He says 'ALL THINGS are put under Him,' it is evident that [the Father] who put ALL THINGS under [His Son] is excepted.

What does it mean: "ALL THINGS" repeated so emphatically everywhere above? Therefore, there are ONLY TWO from Eternity and all else are derived.

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From Tuesday's Study, probably once again:

http://www.ssnet.org/lessons/18b/less04.html#tue

The Holy Spirit has been misunderstood, almost as much as the Father.

Some theologians have thought of the Spirit as the love between the Father and the Son. In other words, the Spirit is merely affection between the Father and the Son.

This means that He is diminished to a relationship between two members of the Godhead and is not a member Himself.

But Scripture proves His [Holy Spirit's] personhood.

Christians are baptized in His [Holy Spirit's] name along with the Father and Son (Matt. 28:19).

The Spirit glorifies Christ (John 16:14).

The Spirit convicts people (John 16:8).

He [Holy Spirit] can be grieved (Eph. 4:30).

He [Holy Spirit] is a Comforter (John 14:16), Helper (NKJV), Counselor (RSV).

He [Holy Spirit] teaches (Luke 12:12), intercedes (Rom. 8:26), and sanctifies (1 Pet. 1:2).

Christ said the Spirit guides people into all truth (John 16:13).

In short, the Holy Spirit is God, as are the Father and the Son. Together, they are One God.


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Originally Posted By: Daryl
From Tuesday's Study, probably once again:

http://www.ssnet.org/lessons/18b/less04.html#tue

The Holy Spirit has been misunderstood, almost as much as the Father.

Some theologians have thought of the Spirit as the love between the Father and the Son. In other words, the Spirit is merely affection between the Father and the Son.

This means that He is diminished to a relationship between two members of the Godhead and is not a member Himself.

But Scripture proves His [Holy Spirit's] personhood.

Christians are baptized in His [Holy Spirit's] name along with the Father and Son (Matt. 28:19).

  • Mat. 28:19 is a strange thing for Jesus to have said. Previously He said, "ALL AUTHORITY has been given to Me in heaven and on earth." If He had indeed come into possession of ALL AUTHORITY, shouldn't He have continued saying, "... baptizing them in MY name"? Think about it. If I were to tell you that I was now the CEO, shouldn't I continue by instructing you to tell everyone that they would henceforth be accountable to me?
     
  • Furthermore, Jesus ended by saying, "and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." He did NOT say, "lo, We (Father, Son & Holy Spirit) are with you ...." but "I", i.e. He.
     
  • Secondly (contrary to the SS author's assertion), everyone baptized, as recorded in the Bible, were baptized properly in HIS (i.e. Jesus') name, as it should be given that ALL AUTHORITY now resided in Him.

    Originally Posted By: Acts 2:38-39
    Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."

     
  • But why the strange Trinitarian baptismal "formula" as many follow? We know the Father. We know the Son. And we know the Holy Spirit, of whom Jesus Himself spoke. But notice it does NOT say, "in the names of" (as of three different persons), but "in the name of" (as of one).
     
  • That is because the emphasis and point was NOT on a Trinitarian concept to be established as doctrine; but on a baptism, i.e. the occasion of being born again, into a family. And the NAME OF THAT FAMILY means something. It is associated with a completely different line of royalty apart from any on earth: the NAME OF THE FAMILY in heaven.
     
  • The words of Jesus in Mat. 28:19 therefore were not meant to be taken as a formula for baptizing anyone, but to convey the idea that God's intention was that the world should be reconciled to Him, that His will in heaven was to be extended on earth, and that the name of heaven be used to cover the saints on earth as well.

I will reply to the other scriptures you quoted later. It is almost 1:30 AM.

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In answer to some of what you posted, I am copying the following from Adam Clarke's Bible Commentary:

“III. Among the Jews, the controversy was about the true Messias; among the Gentiles, about the true God. It was therefore proper among the Jews to baptize in the name of Jesus, that he might be vindicated to be the true Messias. Among the Gentiles, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, that they might be hereby instructed in the doctrine of the true God. - Let this be particularly noted.

IV. The Jews baptized proselytes into the name of the Father, that is, into the profession of God, whom they called by the name of Father. The apostles baptize the Jews into the name of Jesus the Son, and the Gentiles, into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.


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Was Adam Clarke inspired?

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Heb 9:7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

So according to Hebrews, it appears that Jesus entered the most holy place at His death, not in 1844?

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So according to Hebrews, it appears that Jesus entered the most holy place at His death, not in 1844?

Exactly.
I'm not sure where you stand on SDA/EGW theology, but a straight-forward reading of the Bible and Hebrews will immediately put an end to this "wind of doctrine" called the Investigative Judgement.


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Sanctuary

Heb 9:7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

So according to Hebrews, it appears that Jesus entered the most holy place at His death, not in 1844?


I was reading chapter 9 just a couple of days ago and I'm still studying it. I don't have time for a full response just yet or all the answers, but here's some important points to consider.


Verse 9:3 is the only one in Hebrews that actually specifies the Most Holy Place in the language used. Anywhere else in the entire book that a holy place is mentioned requires the context.

Verse 8 says "the holiest of all" in the KJV, but that's not the original wording and the actual word used is the exact same one that in 8:2 is simply read as "sanctuary" in most versions. The Greek word in 8:2 and 9:8 is actually plural, holy places, and so definitely refers to the entire sanctuary.

The focus here is to compare the earthly and heavenly sanctuaries and point the readers to the idea of Jesus as high priest working in the heavenly. The author isn't necessarily specifying which room Jesus is in or detailing the activities within the heavenly sanctuary.



Verse 25: Nor yet that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

Here, the term "holy place" is translated in some versions as "Most Holy Place", but a literal translation doesn't support this as it's not the term used in the Greek.

Because the Greek word could also mean sanctuary, which is what some other versions translate it as here, and because the work of the high priest on the day of atonement included work in both apartments of the sanctuary, it may be best to understand this verse as including all of the sanctuary and not specifically the Most Holy Place.



In Revelation 4 and 5 there is a scene in heaven with seven lamps. In the tabernacle that Moses made there were seven lamps in the Holy Place. Revelation 4 and 5 also show the throne of God with the Father sitting on it in the same room. In the earthly sanctuary the glory of God was also manifested in both the Holy and Most Holy places.

Jesus sitting on the right hand of God does not necessarily require Jesus to be in the Most Holy Place. Jesus was also evidently carrying on some work within the first Holy Place.


This lesson is where I'm getting some of this information from.

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The word "TA HAGIA" (and it's variations) occurs ten times in the book of Hebrews. Translators have translated this term to suit their own agendas and understanding with seemingly little regard to the original.

Yet it is very interesting to note that the word used is with but one exception plural -- that is "holy places". Throughout Hebrews the wording tells us that Christ is ministering in the HOLY PLACES, or holies.

Let's just look to see how the original really reads:

HEBREWS 9:8 "The Holy Spirit is thus showing the way of the holies was not manifested while the first tabernacle was standing, which was a parable for the time present, with its gifts and sacrifices which were being offered, but which could not perfect the conscience...."

Heb. 10:19 the original reads
"Having therefore, brothers, confidence for the entering of the holies by the blood of Jesus which he dedicated for us,"

The only place the adjective is applied to specify the MOST HOLY PLACE is in Hebrews 9:3.

Here a specific adjective is added to which defines the place where the ark is seen, as the

HOLIEST OF ALL. Interestingly— notice also that in this one text that specifically identifies the MOST HOLY PLACE it also speaks of the SECOND veil.

Why would the author specifically indicate in this one place THE HOLIEST OF ALL which is beyond the SECOND veil, while in every other instance using a plural "holy places" to specify where Christ was ministering?

Note again that the original Greek here says "HOLY PLACES" plural, except in the one instance in Hebrews 9:3 where it speaks of the Holiest of all --

Hebrews 9 begins by talking about the earthly sanctuary which had two parts.
(vs 9:2) describes the holy place. (Here the word is holy-singular)
(vs 9: 3, 4) describes the most holy place. (Holiest of all)
( then the author says he wouldn't go into detail on the these things)

He then refers to the earthly priest's daily and yearly ministry.

The author makes the statement that while the earthly sanctuary was in operation the way into heavenly was not yet opened--
It was begun when Christ entered into the Holy Places (plural) with His own precious, saving blood.

Hebrews is speaking of Christ's ministry in the heavenly sanctuary as a whole -- It is only through reinterpreting and re translating that those who down the 2 phase ministry can support their theory.

In Hebrews nine it identifies the two apartments, it identifies the work of the priests in both the daily and the yearly. It then says Christ is ministering in the heavenly Holy Places (plural)

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I agree that the heavenly sanctuary is the most holy compared to the earthly sanctuary. But I was cluing in on where it said "once every year" and "once" and "every year", it seems to be talking of the day of atonement to me. Is that not right?

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Not necessarily, both the daily and the yearly services had sacrifices.

The verses are speaking of BOTH apartments of the earthly sanctuary. It's speaking of BOTH the daily (9:6) and the yearly services (9:7).

The author (probably Paul) even mentions that he is not speaking particularly in any detail concerning the Most Holy Place at that time. (see 9:5)

Thus when Christ entered the heavenly Holy Places (heavenly sanctuary) once and for all, He took His "once and for all sacrifice" which was more than adequate for ALL the services both in the holy place and the most holy place.

His ONE sacrifice is sufficient for all the "daily" and the "day of atonement" ministrations.



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9:1 Now we realize the first covenant had ordinances of divine service, and an earthly sanctuary.

9:2 For there was a tabernacle built; in the first part there was the candlestick, and the table with the shewbread; which is called the holy.
9:3 Then there was the second veil in the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
9:4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, which contained the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
9:5 And over it stood the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; but we cannot now speak particularly of this.

9:6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went daily into the first part of the tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
9:7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people.

9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holy places was not yet made manifest, while the first tabernacle (the earthly one) was yet standing:
9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
9:10 That tabernacle stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation
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9:11 But Christ becoming an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, one not made with hands, that is to say, not of this (earthly) building;
9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy places, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

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You are probably right. Christ entered once the holy place, meaning the temple whole, not any particular apartment.


Originally Posted By: dedication
The author (probably Paul) even mentions that he is not speaking particularly in any detail concerning the Most Holy Place at that time. (see 9:5)

But I disagree here. "This", other versions "these things". Which things? 9:2 the first part, 9:3, the second part. These things mean both things, but he isn't particularly speaking of this, but of Christ entering once the heavenly sanctuary with His blood.

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So according to Hebrews, it appears that Jesus entered the most holy place at His death, not in 1844?

Exactly.
I'm not sure where you stand on SDA/EGW theology, but a straight-forward reading of the Bible and Hebrews will immediately put an end to this "wind of doctrine" called the Investigative Judgement.
So JAK, in light of what Dedication wrote, what do you think, how is the author not writing of entering once the sanctuary as a whole?

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2018 - Preparation for the End Time [Re: dedication] #186616
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Not necessarily, both the daily and the yearly services had sacrifices.

The verses are speaking of BOTH apartments of the earthly sanctuary. It's speaking of BOTH the daily (9:6) and the yearly services (9:7).

The author (probably Paul) even mentions that he is not speaking particularly in any detail concerning the Most Holy Place at that time. (see 9:5)

Thus when Christ entered the heavenly Holy Places (heavenly sanctuary) once and for all, He took His "once and for all sacrifice" which was more than adequate for ALL the services both in the holy place and the most holy place.

His ONE sacrifice is sufficient for all the "daily" and the "day of atonement" ministrations.

  • That is not true at all. In "once for all", the word "all" is not all services, but all who come to Christ. Heb. 9:15 says, "And for this reason [Jesus Christ] is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance."

    If His death was "for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant", then all the transgressions before Calvary were effectively wiped away on that day. For which reason, "those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance." And so the sanctuary was cleansed, i.e. atonement was effectively made through the precious blood of the Christ.

    Originally Posted By: Rev. 12:10-11
    Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.

     
  • Secondly, in Lev. 16, on the Day of Atonement, the High Priest took the blood of sacrifice and went straight into the Most Holy Place directly. And from there, i.e. STARTING FROM within the Most Holy Place, he sprinkled the blood of atonement throughout the sanctuary and onto the alter of sacrifice outside. Heb. 12:13-14 says, "For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?" AND THAT WAS SO SINCE THE FIRST CENTURY AD.

    It was NOT the high priest's responsibility to examine any life records. That rested with the people themselves to contemplate their lives throughout the past year and repent. Also, he did NOT linger in the first apartment saying, "I need to remain here for a while and fiddle around with the showbread and the candlesticks with this bowl of blood in my hands."

    Only SDA have invented that weird idea that Christ needed to remain outside the Most Holy Place until October 22, 1844. But the typical service proves them wrong in more ways than one.
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James, speak on how in the earthly sanctuary the high priest ministered in the first apartment for most of the year/time and then at the end, he ministered in the second apartment. If at Christ's death He entered the sanctuary as a whole, at what point, how long of time before He moved from the one apartment to the other?

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Though exact details are blurred in history, we do know that under papal Rome the seventh-day Sabbath was replaced by the tradition of Sunday keeping, a tradition so firmly entrenched that the Protestant Reformation kept that tradition alive, even into the twenty-first century. Today most Protestants still keep the first day of the week, rather than following the biblical command for the seventh day.
Today most Protestants, and some Adventists around Tonga, still keep the first day of the week, rather than following the biblical command for the seventh day.

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2018 - Preparation for the End Time [Re: kland] #186628
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James, speak on how in the earthly sanctuary the high priest ministered in the first apartment for most of the year/time and then at the end, he ministered in the second apartment. If at Christ's death He entered the sanctuary as a whole, at what point, how long of time before He moved from the one apartment to the other?

  • Heb. 7:26-28 ...

    For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever.
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The High Priest makes a sacrifice for himself and the people only on one day, and one day only: the Day of Atonement. And since Christ, as High Priest, made such sacrifice through his death, and did so once for all, it is obvious that "Calvary" was the Great Day of Atonement. Mark 15:37-38 says, "[When] Jesus cried out with a loud voice, and breathed His last ... the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom." As Mat. 27:50-51 also says, "And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom ..."

All the ministrations of all the priests in all the history of the earthly tabernacle came abruptly to the end on Calvary. In heaven, there is no animal sacrifice, no showbread, no wine, no oil and menorah for light in a dark sanctuary, no altar of incense. Those things were symbolic of something far greater: the eternal priesthood of Christ on our behalf before God, with God, for God, as God.

AND THAT WAS SO SINCE THE FIRST CENTURY AD. Atonement was made between heaven and earth at Calvary. The promise to anyone who would be believe was ratified and since then, eternal life was made available to us. That's THE GOSPEL, THE GOOD NEWS of salvation.

As the torch was passed to us, so we tell the world until Christ returns.

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2018 - Preparation for the End Time [Re: Daryl] #186632
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While it's true that Jesus, by one sacrifice, fulfilled all of the requirements of the law against sin and as you correctly said at that time ratified what had been by promise, we can't conflate the Passover and the Day of Atonement into one day.

The annual holy days that were fulfilled during the events of the New Testament were fulfilled on their respective days. The fulfillment of Passover was of course on Passover. Jesus, "the firstfruits of them that slept", presented Himself and those that came out of the tombs on the day of the resurrection, which was also the holy day of First Fruits. Then the receiving of the Holy Spirit, through which the law is written on hearts, happened on Pentecost, just as Moses had received the law in tables of stone on that day in ancient times.

The Day of Atonement needed to also be fulfilled on its actual day and in regard to its specific significance.

The day was not just for the people, but also for the sanctuary, to "make an atonement for the holy place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins..." "And he shall go out unto the altar that is before the LORD, and make an atonement for it..." (Lev 16:16,18)

All through the year the sins of the people were being presented in the sanctuary by blood standing on their behalf, but the sins remained on record. God here signified that the sanctuary itself still needed "reconciling" (Lev 16:20) because of those sins, and that it was "on that day" that there would be "an atonement for you, to cleanse you, that ye may be clean from all your sins before the LORD." (Lev 16:30)

Because it's not necessary for Jesus to sacrifice again for each activity of the high priest on each day, we don't need to view Jesus as needing to perform all of the activities of the high priest immediately at the crucifixion. After all, the event of Pentecost wasn't until several weeks later. It's then not necessary to regard the Passover of the crucifixion as the Day of Atonement. The one sacrifice of Jesus permanently qualified Him to perform the activities of the high priest by His own virtue.

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2018 - Preparation for the End Time [Re: Daryl] #186717
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We will be discussing the following lesson study in our various churches tomorrow on "Worship the Creator":

http://www.ssnet.org/lessons/18b/less08.html


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As the Memory Text indicates, we are looking at the present truth regarding "the everlasting gospel":

Memory Text:
“Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth — to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people” (Revelation 14:6, NKJV).

What is "the everlasting gospel"?


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The message proclaimed by the angel flying in the midst of heaven is the everlasting gospel, the same gospel that was declared in Eden when God said to the serpent, “I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.” Here was the first promise of a Saviour that would stand on the field of battle to contest the power of Satan and prevail against him. Christ came to our world to represent the character of God as it is represented in His holy law, for His law is a transcript of His character. Christ was both the law and the gospel. The angel that proclaims the everlasting gospel proclaims the law of God; for the gospel of salvation brings men to obedience of the law, whereby their characters are formed after the divine similitude. {Ms32-1896}

And what is included in the transcript of the Character of God? The Law - which includes, the Sabbath and thou shalt not kill. And Christ never killed anyone {Ms62-1886} Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Why do so few people believe the testimony of Jesus Christ?


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Re: 2nd Quarter 2018 - Preparation for the End Time [Re: Daryl] #186727
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Originally Posted By: Daryl
As the Memory Text indicates, we are looking at the present truth regarding "the everlasting gospel":

Memory Text:
“Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth — to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people” (Revelation 14:6, NKJV).

What is "the everlasting gospel"?

Continuing the quote, "... saying with a loud voice, 'Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.'" (Rev. 14:8) The fear, glory and worship of God stands in direct contrast to the fear, exaltation and worship demanded by the Beast. In a world thrown into turmoil, the first angel brings good news to those who would rather not follow the Beast and so made to suffer. As Jesus Christ told his disciples, "this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come." (Mat. 24:14)

But what really is the good news? What did Jesus mean by "this gospel"? "Because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold," he warned."But he who endures to the end shall be saved." (Mat. 24:12-13) That is the good news, the gospel and the everlasting gospel: that the patient faithful (and for good measure, the faithful patient) will be saved. They will be changed! They will see God and live forever in paradise.

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1yjp-VoXp4

    O brother, be faithful! Soon Jesus will come,
    For whom we have waited so long;
    O, soon we shall enter our glorious home,
    And join in the conqueror’s song.
    O brother, be faithful! For why should we prove
    Unfaithful to Him who hath shown
    Such deep, such unbounded and infinite love--
    Who died to redeem us His own.

    ~ 'O Brother be Faithful' sung by the SDA Fountainview Academy



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But the wicked shall surely die "in the hour of God's judgment" and so trouble you no more.

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2018 - Preparation for the End Time [Re: Daryl] #186731
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Originally Posted By: James Peterson

since Christ, as High Priest, made such sacrifice through his death, and did so once for all, it is obvious that "Calvary" was the Great Day of Atonement.


Scripture tells us that Christ's death was represented by the Passover. The First feast in the "map of salvation" which the feasts portrayed.

1 Cor. 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, as you are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

Matt. 26>2 ... the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.

John 13:1 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father,...
18:28 Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover....
19:14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he (Pilate) said unto the Jews, Behold your King!
19:15 But they cried out, Away with [him], away with [him], crucify him.


It was not a co-incidence that Christ was crucified at Passover. The original Passover back in Egypt -- the blood of the lamb on the door posts meant the angel of death passed over them and did not enter their homes, thus too, Christ, the Lamb of God, shed His blood, and when we accept Him, the eternal death will have no power over us.

Passover, Christ offered salvation and life to all who would come.
Next step was the day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit was poured out upon the believers enabling them to live a Christ like life and be powerful witnesses for Him.

The Day of Atonement was a day of judgment -- from the "Feast of Trumpets" 10 days earlier, until the actual day of atonement
was a season of repentance (teshuvah) for the Jewish people, which climaxes and ends on the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur) a day of judgment.

Finally comes the Feast of Tabernacles to represent the end of the wandering in the "desert" of sin and entering the promised land.






Originally Posted By: James P.
Mark 15:37-38 says, "[When] Jesus cried out with a loud voice, and breathed His last ... the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom." As Mat. 27:50-51 also says, "And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom ..."


The rending of the veil signified that the glory had departed from the earthly sanctuary -- it's services ended (even though they continued to go through the forms for a while yet).
Christ's mission to earth was accomplished, the redeeming sacrifice completed. It was finished.

However, the work of atonement was not yet done.
While the all sufficient atoning sacrifice was completed, the work of "reconciliation" (which is what atonement actually means) is still on going.

Rev. 16:17 Tells us it is not DONE until the seventh plague time. Then God speaks: "It is done".

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2018 - Preparation for the End Time [Re: Daryl] #186740
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Wednesday's lesson -- Deceptions

Sabbath and the Theory of Evolution

The Sabbath of Genesis and the forth commandment holds the believer to a six day creation, in which mankind is created perfect and is called to worship His Creator on every seventh day in remembrance of his Creator.

Evolution makes this cycle completely irrelevant as memorial of creation -- for it does not believe in a six day creation.

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Why then do so many people interpret Genesis through the lens of a theory that, at its most basic level, contradicts Genesis at its most basic level? Indeed, not only has the error of evolution swept millions of secular people, but many professed Christians believe that they can harmonize it with their Christian faith, despite the blatant contradictions just mentioned.


This deception has crept even into the Adventist church, though not officially, yet academically in our schools of higher education.

In many ways theistic evolution is far more deceptive than agnostic evolution. With the later we know their theory is based on a creation without God, yet the theistic evolution presents itself as believing in the creative poser of God, but it totally departs from the very basics of scripture.

1. What is the origin of sin?
Scripture teaches sin began when perfect beings, created in the image of God, distrusted the Word of God, and believed the voice of the deceiver that God was unjust, acted contrary to God's warning command and did exactly what they thought would elevate them to higher levels of existence.

The deceptive voice said:
Gen 3:5 "the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods,'

God's warning:
2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Thus death, violence and evil entered the world, when they trusted the deceiver and unleashed his power in the world.

THE THEISITIC EVOLUTIONIST
has no real answer to the origin of sin. In this theory, God used cycles of death, violence, and survival of the fittest to create! Mankind was not created perfect, he did not "fall", He was first a creature(an animal} without moral conscience that acted like any animal with instincts only for survival. Sin is an illusive concept attached to an awakening "moral conscience" in the advancing process of evolution.

Redemption, thus is no longer seen as a need for a Savior, but simply a need for a power to move mankind to a higher level in his evolutionary development.
Christ's death becomes only a catalyst in that process that pushes the human race into the next level of their evolutionary development.

The evolutionist is looking forward to mankind taking the next quantum leap into a higher level-- to become "more than human".

If one really goes deeper into their reasoning one ends up finding themselves on the "new age" track -- first brought into Christianity by the Jesuit Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. He came up with the idea of the Omega Point (a maximum level of complexity and consciousness towards which he believed the universe is evolving)
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"Teilhard dreamed of humanity merging into ‘God’ and each realizing his own godhood at the Omega point. This belief has inspired many of today’s New Age leaders.
Teilhard said this:

"It is a law of the universe that in all things there is prior existence. Before every form there is a prior, but lesser evolved form. Each one of us is evolving towards the God-head."

"As we know, the belief that the human individual cannot perfect himself or fully exist except through the organic unification of all men in God is essential and fundamental to Christian doctrine."
Catholic theologian Malachi Martin (1921-1999) describes Teilhard de Chardin's theology in his book "The Jesuits":
"Once complete unity has been achieved, Christ—who will be the Omega Point—will appear; man will then be more than man, will be what Teilhard called Ultra-Human, the cosmos will be transformed; and the glory of it all will be established."


Based on the prominence of New Age doctrine in Teilhard’s writings, it’s no surprise that a survey of New Agers showed that the leading influence of their "spiritual awakening" was Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. (Walter Veith in Rekindling the Reformation)


In other words -- if we follow the theistic evolution we will find it leads back to the deceivers first lie --
you shall be as gods.

It is the worship of the creature, that is evolving into godhood, it is not the worship of the CREATOR, Redeemer, Savior, sanctifier and judge of scripture.


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Last week's monday:
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How can you take comfort in the promise that all the injustice and iniquity that seem to go unpunished now will one day face final retribution by God?

Is it asking, how will that make you feel satisfied?

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The second coming of Jesus is more than a church doctrine, more than an "escape" that we hope for, more than something that we cling to in shaky times.

Everything in the theme of salvation points to its grand climax. The world as we know it, will be no more.
No matter how you think the "harvest" will be carried out, the Biblical fact remains -- the time will come when all those with Christ will enter a marvelous, eternal reality in the very presence of Christ and the Father. The rest die at the second coming, with only eternal death as their future.

That's why its so important NOW, to cling close to Jesus, who came to earth 2000 years ago to open the door for life to all who would come. Today is the day of salvation. But more, it's so important to urge people to choose life, rather than death.

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Re: 2nd Quarter 2018 - Preparation for the End Time [Re: dedication] #186929
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Originally Posted By: dedication
Wednesday's lesson -- Deceptions

Sabbath and the Theory of Evolution

The Sabbath of Genesis and the forth commandment holds the believer to a six day creation, in which mankind is created perfect and is called to worship His Creator on every seventh day in remembrance of his Creator.

Evolution makes this cycle completely irrelevant as memorial of creation -- for it does not believe in a six day creation.

Quote:
Why then do so many people interpret Genesis through the lens of a theory that, at its most basic level, contradicts Genesis at its most basic level? Indeed, not only has the error of evolution swept millions of secular people, but many professed Christians believe that they can harmonize it with their Christian faith, despite the blatant contradictions just mentioned.


This deception has crept even into the Adventist church, though not officially, yet academically in our schools of higher education.

In many ways theistic evolution is far more deceptive than agnostic evolution. With the later we know their theory is based on a creation without God, yet the theistic evolution presents itself as believing in the creative poser of God, but it totally departs from the very basics of scripture.

1. What is the origin of sin?
Scripture teaches sin began when perfect beings, created in the image of God, distrusted the Word of God, and believed the voice of the deceiver that God was unjust, acted contrary to God's warning command and did exactly what they thought would elevate them to higher levels of existence.

The deceptive voice said:
Gen 3:5 "the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods,'

God's warning:
2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Thus death, violence and evil entered the world, when they trusted the deceiver and unleashed his power in the world.

THE THEISITIC EVOLUTIONIST
has no real answer to the origin of sin. In this theory, God used cycles of death, violence, and survival of the fittest to create! Mankind was not created perfect, he did not "fall", He was first a creature(an animal} without moral conscience that acted like any animal with instincts only for survival. Sin is an illusive concept attached to an awakening "moral conscience" in the advancing process of evolution.

Redemption, thus is no longer seen as a need for a Savior, but simply a need for a power to move mankind to a higher level in his evolutionary development.
Christ's death becomes only a catalyst in that process that pushes the human race into the next level of their evolutionary development.

The evolutionist is looking forward to mankind taking the next quantum leap into a higher level-- to become "more than human".

If one really goes deeper into their reasoning one ends up finding themselves on the "new age" track -- first brought into Christianity by the Jesuit Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. He came up with the idea of the Omega Point (a maximum level of complexity and consciousness towards which he believed the universe is evolving)
Quote:
"Teilhard dreamed of humanity merging into ‘God’ and each realizing his own godhood at the Omega point. This belief has inspired many of today’s New Age leaders.
Teilhard said this:

"It is a law of the universe that in all things there is prior existence. Before every form there is a prior, but lesser evolved form. Each one of us is evolving towards the God-head."

"As we know, the belief that the human individual cannot perfect himself or fully exist except through the organic unification of all men in God is essential and fundamental to Christian doctrine."
Catholic theologian Malachi Martin (1921-1999) describes Teilhard de Chardin's theology in his book "The Jesuits":
"Once complete unity has been achieved, Christ—who will be the Omega Point—will appear; man will then be more than man, will be what Teilhard called Ultra-Human, the cosmos will be transformed; and the glory of it all will be established."


Based on the prominence of New Age doctrine in Teilhard’s writings, it’s no surprise that a survey of New Agers showed that the leading influence of their "spiritual awakening" was Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. (Walter Veith in Rekindling the Reformation)


In other words -- if we follow the theistic evolution we will find it leads back to the deceivers first lie --
you shall be as gods.

It is the worship of the creature, that is evolving into godhood, it is not the worship of the CREATOR, Redeemer, Savior, sanctifier and judge of scripture.

Dedication - I don't know why you moved my last comment, but I will post it again as it directly addresses your post - theistic evolution, and Pierre Teilhard de Chardin all fit the emergent church paradigm. See https://youtu.be/f6U-HFztQkE


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The link to our final lesson study, namely #13, of this 2nd Quarter:

http://www.ssnet.org/lessons/18b/less13.html


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Originally Posted By: APL
Originally Posted By: dedication
Wednesday's lesson -- Deceptions

Sabbath and the Theory of Evolution

The Sabbath of Genesis and the forth commandment holds the believer to a six day creation, in which mankind is created perfect and is called to worship His Creator on every seventh day in remembrance of his Creator.

Evolution makes this cycle completely irrelevant as memorial of creation -- for it does not believe in a six day creation.

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Why then do so many people interpret Genesis through the lens of a theory that, at its most basic level, contradicts Genesis at its most basic level? Indeed, not only has the error of evolution swept millions of secular people, but many professed Christians believe that they can harmonize it with their Christian faith, despite the blatant contradictions just mentioned.


This deception has crept even into the Adventist church, though not officially, yet academically in our schools of higher education.

In many ways theistic evolution is far more deceptive than agnostic evolution. With the later we know their theory is based on a creation without God, yet the theistic evolution presents itself as believing in the creative poser of God, but it totally departs from the very basics of scripture.

1. What is the origin of sin?
Scripture teaches sin began when perfect beings, created in the image of God, distrusted the Word of God, and believed the voice of the deceiver that God was unjust, acted contrary to God's warning command and did exactly what they thought would elevate them to higher levels of existence.

The deceptive voice said:
Gen 3:5 "the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods,'

God's warning:
2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Thus death, violence and evil entered the world, when they trusted the deceiver and unleashed his power in the world.

THE THEISITIC EVOLUTIONIST
has no real answer to the origin of sin. In this theory, God used cycles of death, violence, and survival of the fittest to create! Mankind was not created perfect, he did not "fall", He was first a creature(an animal} without moral conscience that acted like any animal with instincts only for survival. Sin is an illusive concept attached to an awakening "moral conscience" in the advancing process of evolution.

Redemption, thus is no longer seen as a need for a Savior, but simply a need for a power to move mankind to a higher level in his evolutionary development.
Christ's death becomes only a catalyst in that process that pushes the human race into the next level of their evolutionary development.

The evolutionist is looking forward to mankind taking the next quantum leap into a higher level-- to become "more than human".

If one really goes deeper into their reasoning one ends up finding themselves on the "new age" track -- first brought into Christianity by the Jesuit Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. He came up with the idea of the Omega Point (a maximum level of complexity and consciousness towards which he believed the universe is evolving)
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"Teilhard dreamed of humanity merging into ‘God’ and each realizing his own godhood at the Omega point. This belief has inspired many of today’s New Age leaders.
Teilhard said this:

"It is a law of the universe that in all things there is prior existence. Before every form there is a prior, but lesser evolved form. Each one of us is evolving towards the God-head."

"As we know, the belief that the human individual cannot perfect himself or fully exist except through the organic unification of all men in God is essential and fundamental to Christian doctrine."
Catholic theologian Malachi Martin (1921-1999) describes Teilhard de Chardin's theology in his book "The Jesuits":
"Once complete unity has been achieved, Christ—who will be the Omega Point—will appear; man will then be more than man, will be what Teilhard called Ultra-Human, the cosmos will be transformed; and the glory of it all will be established."


Based on the prominence of New Age doctrine in Teilhard’s writings, it’s no surprise that a survey of New Agers showed that the leading influence of their "spiritual awakening" was Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. (Walter Veith in Rekindling the Reformation)


In other words -- if we follow the theistic evolution we will find it leads back to the deceivers first lie --
you shall be as gods.

It is the worship of the creature, that is evolving into godhood, it is not the worship of the CREATOR, Redeemer, Savior, sanctifier and judge of scripture.

Dedication - I don't know why you moved my last comment, but I will post it again as it directly addresses your post - theistic evolution, and Pierre Teilhard de Chardin all fit the emergent church paradigm. See https://youtu.be/f6U-HFztQkE


OK, I see the connection now. The video seemed to be a continuation of the one posted in the OP of the "emergent Church" thread and I thought it ended up here by mistake. Now I see it fits in both places. Very interesting videos.

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Originally Posted By: dedication
OK, I see the connection now. The video seemed to be a continuation of the one posted in the OP of the "emergent Church" thread and I thought it ended up here by mistake. Now I see it fits in both places. Very interesting videos.
Video - singular. Yes, the video is relevant to your comment, and I think the single best succinct summary of the Emergent Church and a sign of the times. Who wants to lead the Emergent Church? And what is its central dogma? I'll leave it at that.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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