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Re: What will the Image of the Beast entail...
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How do they explain the head healed after receiving the deadly wound? Did all the world "worship" Rome, Vespasian, or his son Titus? There is no need for private interpretation when the correct one was given by the very angel who gave the vision. - Rev. 17:9-11
The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. There are also seven kings:
1. Five have fallen,
2. one is,
3. and the other has not yet come.
And when he comes, he must continue a short time. The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.
The head that receives the deadly wound is the seventh or last head. The head whose deadly wound was healed is the seventh or last giving way to the beast himself (the eighth and of the seven). In other words, John was living in the days of the second to last king, one king away from the end, from a foreign invasion and defeat. Any other private interpretation or fanciful idea is wrong and plain nonsense. ///
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Re: What will the Image of the Beast entail...
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11/24/18 09:14 PM
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Any other private interpretation or fanciful idea is wrong and plain nonsense.
/// Meaning that this fanciful private interpretation is correct, but the others are wrong? Just wondering. JAK the Troll.
Last edited by JAK; 11/24/18 09:15 PM.
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Re: What will the Image of the Beast entail...
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11/24/18 10:19 PM
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Any other private interpretation or fanciful idea is wrong and plain nonsense.
/// Meaning that this fanciful private interpretation is correct, but the others are wrong? Just wondering. JAK the Troll. ??? Any other (private interpretation or fanciful idea) is wrong and plain nonsense. ///
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Re: What will the Image of the Beast entail...
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Any other private interpretation or fanciful idea is wrong and plain nonsense.
/// Meaning that this fanciful private interpretation is correct, but the others are wrong? Just wondering.  
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Re: What will the Image of the Beast entail...
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I would think they'd be hard pressed to explain the rest of the chapter. How do they explain the head healed after receiving the deadly wound? Did all the world "worship" Rome, Vespasian, or his son Titus? What do they make of the other beast coming up out of the earth? What do they say was the image of the beast that the second beast made everyone to worship?
I fully agree with you. I have found the preterits method of interpretation pretty fanciful and strange. They are certainly creative... No doubt directly influenced by the papacy in a distraction. But isn't that from where the preterits originate?
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Re: What will the Image of the Beast entail...
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11/27/18 06:03 AM
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/// - "The angel said to me, Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns." Rev. 17:7
- That's an interesting thing for the angel to have said. "Why did you marvel?" What was there to be amazed by a woman "drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus"?
- But those who purport to know God, do they behave that way? No, it's totally unexpected -- a VERY strange thing to see, indeed. But "the angel said to me, I will tell you ..."
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Re: What will the Image of the Beast entail...
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Please, describe this "universal monetary system".
"And he [the leopardlike beast] causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." Revelation 13:16-17
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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Re: What will the Image of the Beast entail...
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12/08/18 01:58 AM
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One is reminded of His Child, picking very specific details of a scene and making a big issue of it. "Land" was not the point of the scene, but the beast and perhaps sea were. It doesn't mention "land"; you do. In fact, the beast was still in the sea, not on any land.
But going with your presumed "land" being a big issue, what makes you think "land" was Jerusalem? You said, "VERY obviously". Show us why we should assume that?
Daniel 7:1-3 shows sea beasts in the vision. Daniel 7:17 explains earth beasts. Revelation 13 distinguishes between the sea beast (papacy) and the land beast (linked to America).
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Re: What will the Image of the Beast entail...
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12/08/18 02:07 AM
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Daniel 9 is addressing the 490 years -- the seventy sevens of prophetic time that spanned time from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem after the Babylonian captivity, until Messiah the Prince, who would die, (be cut off) not for Himself but to provide salvation for the human race.
Because Israel (as a nation) rejected the Messiah the Prince and declared they "have no king but Caesar, they chose ANOTHER PRINCE, who came and destroyed their city in 70 A.D.
REVELATION
on the other hand, was written AFTER the 490 years were already fulfilled. It was written AFTER Rome had already destroyed Jerusalem and the temple there in 70 A.D..
Revelation joins with Daniel's much longer prophecies (1260 and 2300 day/years) that reach beyond His (John's) time and show the future of the church from John's day forward to the end.
John and the other apostles define the "saints", not as the Jews, but as the followers of Christ. This definitely includes the Gentiles and is based on a connection with Christ, not a physical descent from Abraham, as we see Paul calling the Gentile believers "saints" in his letters.
The 490 years of Daniel 9 began in 457 BC and ended in 33/34 AD. Thus the 23 years ended in 1843 and 1844. But Daniel 9 had its endtime fulfillment beginning 31 May 1998. As the Prophecy was fulfilled correctly before Christ's First Advent, It has been fulfilled correctly as Christ's Second Advent nears.
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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Re: What will the Image of the Beast entail...
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I fully agree.
The monetary system is not the mark of the beast. But it will be used in some way to enforce the mark of the beast.
As long as retail still accepts cash, it seems it would prolong or at least weaken the crack down. That's why prolonging the cash flow may be a good idea.
The problem is very simple. God Commands "don't take the instrument that is required by the beast in order to buy and sell." When Adventists' rationalize that since it is not linked to Sabbath observance, it is ok to take it. Like Eve picking the fruit. Then when the SDA's have it and it gets linked to the Sabbath, Satan gloats, "gotch ya!" The Mark of the beast and the seal of God cannot be on God's people at the same time. There are 2 commands...1) don't take the Mark 2) keep the Sabbath holy. Remember Peter...Lord I'll die for you...denied Him thrice. The problem was that he failed to watch unto prayer while he had the opportunity. Thus when the test came, he was not prepared to meet it.
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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