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Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019 [Re: Charity] #187753
11/05/18 01:40 PM
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Glen, one reason I'm confident that this was a fulfillment of prophecy was that I'm the one who told David of an encounter I had in the spring of 2015.

On April 30, 2015 at about 4:15 AM as I was waking up I dreamed or heard a voice (I'm not sure which) say to me: "In yet five months I will purify the sons of Levi." I got up quickly and sat down to study to see whether it was just a dream or a divine message. First I looked up Malachi 3:3, the text quoted and the surrounding context. It says:

Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. 
Mal 3:2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: 
Mal 3:3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness. 
Mal 3:4 Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years. 
Mal 3:5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.

Then I thought it might be helpful to calculate five Biblical months from April 30 and it came out to September 24, (147 days of three lunar months of 29 days and two of 30), the day following the Day of Atonement. It turned out to be the day that Pope Francis was embraced by all three branches of the American government.

But the Day of Atonement itself was the day the Pope was received at that White House by President Obama. I have reason to think that this meeting was more historic than most realize. Time will tell the outcome. I believe Mr. Obama's most important years may be ahead of him.

But, on the 24th, God suddenly, unexpectedly came to his temple and began to purify the sons of Levi. In my opinion this was a turning point in both human and Divine government. David and Pastor Brennan are saying the Papal address was a fulfillment of Daniel and Christ's prophecy of the abomination standing where it shouldn't and so they advise us to be prepared for a more overt assault 3.5 years later, this spring.

I've been convicted in the same way but haven't stated this publicly until now. I feel I shouldn't hold my peace any longer. I'm not saying something has to happen but I'm saying we ought to be prepared mentally, physically and spiritually for major changes. We should be like the good steward in the parable of Christ.

Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019 [Re: Charity] #187755
11/05/18 02:53 PM
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And if nothing happens as you claim???

We are to prepare NOW regardless, and the use of fear is not to be the motivating factor.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019 [Re: glenm] #187765
11/06/18 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted By: glenm
One thing I noticed is that he says that the Day of Atonement is September 23 in 2015.

The Jewish calendar runs in a 19-year cycle called the "Metonic Cycle", and the 171 years from 1844 to 2015 is exactly nine of these cycles (9 x 19).

So the actual Day of Atonement in 2015 would be a month later, approximately October 22 or 23.

This doesn't match the standard Jewish calendar, but the same was true in 1844.
Can you answer when the Jewish calendar starts, that is, what initiates it? I have not found anyone is able to or willing to (Elle) say when.

Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019 [Re: Daryl] #187766
11/06/18 03:50 PM
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I would be careful of people who present what I would refer to as half truths, which David Gates seems to have done in reference to the change in the Church Manual from my previous post.
I would disagree that it's stronger language or weaker language. To say, "authoritative source of truth" or "speak with prophetic authority" are one and the same thing to me. To argue differently are like the KJV only people. One must say as they always have heard it or it is somehow "lesser".

I was thinking of seeing what he had to say. But for him to give errors like that makes me not think it's worth the effort to go to the trouble to download and then spend the time listening. Too many people out there are promoting themselves.

But I wasn't clear if that was Charity or David Gates saying that?

Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019 [Re: Charity] #187767
11/06/18 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted By: Charity
Then I thought it might be helpful to calculate five Biblical months from April 30 and it came out to September 24, (147 days of three lunar months of 29 days and two of 30), the day following the Day of Atonement. It turned out to be the day that Pope Francis was embraced by all three branches of the American government.

But the Day of Atonement itself was the day the Pope was received at that White House by President Obama. I have reason to think that this meeting was more historic than most realize. Time will tell the outcome. I believe Mr. Obama's most important years may be ahead of him.
But that would only be interesting to consider if we could figure out when the Jewish year actually starts. If it's off by two days, then it's non-relevant, right? And does the Jewish year here start the same time as where the pope is? Or Jerusalem?

Is there no concrete absolute way to determine when the Jewish year starts as to why no one can tell me? I've heard people say this is the day of Passover and the Bible proves it. A little while later they get "new light" and just as insistently claim the Bible never proved the other time but their "new" time is Biblical.

...And one gets tired and bored and apathetic with all this "new light" that's been regurgitated and recycled over and over....


Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019 [Re: Charity] #187780
11/08/18 07:50 AM
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The papal visit in September 2015 was most definitely a monumental and historic event. So many symbolic moves were made that gave the message that the papacy was the greater leader, higher than the president in America.
It was indeed an event that should awaken us to realize time is running out.

However, this constant trying to tie events to date setting is just NOT the message -- as Kland wrote -- the constant regurgitation and recycling of dates, only makes people tired and apathetic.

The date and event are not mentioned in any Biblical prophecy. It's based mainly on re-assigning various "times" and on human opinions and impressions.

Agree --
"We are to prepare NOW regardless, and the use of fear is not to be the motivating factor."

Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019 [Re: dedication] #187781
11/08/18 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted By: dedication
However, this constant trying to tie events to date setting is just NOT the message -- as Kland wrote -- the constant regurgitation and recycling of dates, only makes people tired and apathetic.

Agree --
"We are to prepare NOW regardless, and the use of fear is not to be the motivating factor."


We'll know when the latter rain is close because the Lord tells us to pray for it at that time.
Quote:
Zec 10:1 Ask ye of the LORD rain in the time of the latter rain; so the LORD shall make bright clouds, and give them showers of rain, to every one grass in the field.
Gates and I are saying that the Lord is saying: Good news, it's close, possibly this spring or summer, maybe sooner. Pray for it.

You should watch the part of this video where Gate's face and eyes appeared to glow to Adventists and non Adventists. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrSjNft6vS0&t=790s It reminds me of Early Writings where Ellen White describes the saints going from house to house with their faces aglow. Apparently for some people like Gates the start of the latter rain is now.

Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019 [Re: Charity] #187785
11/09/18 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted By: mark
Good news, it's close, possibly this spring or summer, maybe sooner.
Key word, "possibly". Tranlation - we don't know, could be, we think so, maybe.

Originally Posted By: mark
You should watch the part of this video where Gate's face and eyes appeared to glow to Adventists and non Adventists.
Ah - it is a claim, one witness, no video evidence other that the claim. Is it true? Could be, maybe, possibly.

The Lord has shown me that the message of the third angel must go, and be proclaimed to the scattered children of the Lord, but it must not be hung on time. I saw that some were getting a false excitement, arising from preaching time; but the third angel's message is stronger than time can be. I saw that this message can stand on its own foundation and needs not time to strengthen it; and that it will go in mighty power, and do its work, and will be cut short in righteousness. {EW 75.1}
 
This was the document I came upon last Monday in searching over my writings, and here is another which was written in regard to a man who was setting time in 1884, and sending broadcast his arguments to prove his theories. The report of what he was doing was brought to me at the Jackson [Michigan] camp meeting, and I told the people they need not take heed to this man's theory; for the event he predicted would not take place. The times and the seasons God has put in His own power. And why has not God given us this knowledge?--Because we would not make a right use of it if He did. A condition of things would result from this knowledge among our people that would greatly retard the work of God in preparing a people to stand in the great day that is to come. We are not to live upon time excitement. We are not to be engrossed with speculations in regard to the times and the seasons which God has not revealed. Jesus has told His disciples to "watch," but not for a definite time. His followers are to be in the position of those who are listening for the orders of their Captain; they are to watch, wait, pray, and work, as they approach the time for the coming of the Lord; but no one will be able to predict just when that time will come; for "of that day and hour knoweth no man." You will not be able to say that He will come in one, two, or five years, neither are you to put off His coming by stating that it may not be for ten or twenty years. { 1SM 189.2}
 
I plainly stated at the Jackson camp-meeting to those fanatical parties that they were doing the work of the adversary of souls; they were in darkness. They claimed to have great light that probation would close in October, 1884. {Ms12-1885}
 
I there stated in public that the Lord had been pleased to show me that there would be no definite time in the message given of God since 1844; and that I knew that this message which four or five were engaged in advocating with great zeal was heresy. The visions of this poor child were not of God. This light came not from heaven. Time was short; but the end was not yet. A great work was to be accomplished to prepare a people to be sealed with the seal of the living God. {Ms12-1885}
 
When probation ends, it will come suddenly, unexpectedlyat a time when we are least expecting it. But we can have a clean record in heaven today, and know that God accepts us; and finally, if faithful, we shall be gathered into the kingdom of heaven {Manuscript 95, 1906}.
 
God has not revealed to us the time when this message will close, or when probation will have an end. Those things that are revealed we shall accept for ourselves and for our children; but let us not seek to know that which has been kept secret in the councils of the Almighty. It is our duty to watch and work and wait, to labor every moment for the souls of men that are ready to perish. We are to keep walking continually in the footsteps of Jesus, working in his lines, dispensing his gifts as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. Satan will be ready to give to any one who is not learning every day of Jesus, a special message of his own creating, in order to make of no effect the wonderful truth for this time. {RH October 9, 1894, par. 10}


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019 [Re: APL] #187787
11/09/18 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted By: APL
"We are not to live upon time excitement. We are not to be engrossed with speculations in regard to the times and the seasons which God has not revealed. Jesus has told His disciples to "watch," but not for a definite time. His followers are to be in the position of those who are listening for the orders of their Captain; they are to watch, wait, pray, and work, as they approach the time for the coming of the Lord; but no one will be able to predict just when that time will come; for "of that day and hour knoweth no man." You will not be able to say that He will come in one, two, or five years, neither are you to put off His coming by stating that it may not be for ten or twenty years. { 1SM 189.2}
Good quotes. God help us to strike the right balance on this important issue. These quotes need to be balanced against her other statements that place most of Revelation in the future (including the time elements) and the warning of Christ to understand the abomination of desolation which also has a time period and other scripture such the promise in Amos that the Lord will do nothing but that he will first reveal it to his servants.

Throughout sacred history God has consistently told his people in advance of persecution and its length. Will He not do that in the case of the most deadly and global assault of Satan on His people at the end? If we fail to follow the counsel of Christ to understand the abomination of desolation we are unwise. We don't want to be among the unwise virgins. What Gates is saying is "Take this to the Lord, but in my opinion, the abomination and the latter rain are both around the corner". This is in line with the warning of Christ. It is in line with the promise in Amos and the divine directive to pray for the latter rain as it approaches.

Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019 [Re: Charity] #187788
11/09/18 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted By: Charity

God help us to strike the right balance on this important issue. These quotes need to be balanced against her other statements that place most of Revelation in the future (including the time elements) and the warning of Christ to understand the abomination of desolation which also has a time period and other scripture such the promise in Amos that the Lord will do nothing but that he will first reveal it to his servants.


History will be repeated. By looking back on history, we can know something of the future. For example: ==The French Revolution -- Revolution is brewing in America. The papal oppression through the civil powers will be repeated in greater magnitude. But nowhere does she state the time periods will be repeated, we only know "the time will be short".

EGW writes repeatedly that time will NEVER again be a test. We are not to base our message on time.
Originally Posted By: EGW
Time has not been a test since 1844, and it will never again be a test. {EW 74.2}

The Lord showed me that the message must go, and that it must not be hung on time; for time will never be a test again. I saw that some were getting a false excitement, arising from preaching time, that the third angel's message can stand on its own foundation, and that it needs not time to strengthen it, and that it will go with mighty power, and do its work, and will be cut short in righteousness. {1SM 188.3}




Originally Posted By: Mark
We don't want to be among the unwise virgins. What Gates is saying is "Take this to the Lord, but in my opinion, the abomination and the latter rain are both around the corner". This is in line with the warning of Christ. It is in line with the promise in Amos and the divine directive to pray for the latter rain as it approaches.


Indeed, the final crises is JUST AROUND THE CORNER. And now is the time to work for the Lord and be grounded in the gospel of salvation.
The following is an inspiring article by Ellen White called the "Closing Time".



Originally Posted By: EGW
The prophecies in the eighteenth of Revelation will soon be fulfilled. During the proclamation of the third angel's message, "another angel" is to "come down from heaven, having great power," and the earth is to be "lighted with his glory." The Spirit of the Lord will so graciously bless consecrated human instrumentalities that men, women, and children will open their lips in praise and thanksgiving, filling the earth with the knowledge of God, and with his unsurpassed glory, as the waters cover the sea. {RH, October 13, 1904 par. 3}

Those who have held the beginning of their confidence firm unto the end will be wide-awake during the time that the third angel's message is proclaimed with great power. During the loud cry, the church, aided by the providential interpositions of her exalted Lord, will diffuse the knowledge of salvation so abundantly that light will be communicated to every city and town. The earth will be filled with the knowledge of salvation. So abundantly will the renewing Spirit of God have crowned with success the intensely active agencies, that the light of present truth will be seen flashing everywhere. {RH, October 13, 1904 par. 4}

The saving knowledge of God will accomplish its purifying work on the mind and heart of every believer. The Word declares: "Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes." This is the descent of the Holy Spirit, sent from God to do its office work. The house of Israel is to be imbued with the Holy Spirit, and baptized with the grace of salvation. {RH, October 13, 1904 par. 5}

Amid the confusing cries, "Lo, here is Christ! Lo, there is Christ!" will be borne a special testimony, a special message of truth appropriate for this time, which message is to be received, believed, and acted upon. It is the truth, not fanciful ideas, that is efficacious. The eternal truth of the Word will stand forth free from all seductive errors and spiritualistic interpretations, free from all fancifully drawn, alluring pictures. Falsehoods will be urged upon the attention of God's people, but the truth is to stand clothed in its beautiful, pure garments. The Word, precious in its holy uplifting influence, is not to be degraded to a level with common, ordinary matters. It is always to remain uncontaminated by the fallacies by which Satan seeks to deceive, if possible, the very elect. {RH, October 13, 1904 par. 6}
The proclamation of the gospel is the only means in which God can employ human beings as his instrumentalities for the salvation of souls. As men, women, and children proclaim the gospel, the Lord will open the eyes of the blind to see his statutes, and will write upon the hearts of the truly penitent his law. The animating Spirit of God, working through human agencies, leads the believers to be of one mind, one soul, unitedly loving God and keeping his commandments,-- preparing here below for translation. {RH, October 13, 1904 par. 7}
There have been conflicts, and there will be until in heaven the voice of the Lord is heard, saying, "It is done." And after the redeemed are taken to heaven, God the Father will be glorified in crowning the Lord Jesus, who gave his life a ransom for the world. {RH, October 13, 1904 par. 8}
Let the work of proclaiming the gospel of Christ be made efficient by the agency of the Holy Spirit. Let not one believer, in the day of trial and proving that has already begun, listen to the devising of the enemy. The living Word is the sword of the Spirit. Mercies and judgments will be sent from heaven. The working of providence will be revealed both in mercies and in judgments.

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