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"Most Supreme Court justices have been Protestant Christians. These have included 33 Episcopalians, 18 Presbyterians, nine Unitarians, five Methodists, three Baptists, and lone representatives of various other denominations.[77] William Rehnquist was the Court's only Lutheran. Noah Swayne was a Quaker. Some 15 Protestant justices did not adhere to a particular denomination. The religious beliefs of James Wilson, one of the earliest Justices, have been the subject of some dispute, as there are writings from various points of his life from which it can be argued that he leaned towards Presbyterianism, Anglicanism, Thomism, or Deism; it has been deemed likely that he eventually favored some form of Christianity.[78] Baptist denominations and other evangelical churches have been underrepresented on the Court, relative to the population of the United States. Conversely, mainline Protestant churches historically were overrepresented.[citation needed]
Following the retirement of John Paul Stevens in June 2010, the Court had an entirely non-Protestant composition for the first time in its history"...
John Roberts (Chief Justice) -Roman Catholicism
Clarence Thomas -Roman Catholicism
Ruth Bader Ginsburg -Judaism
Stephen Breyer -Judaism
Samuel Alito Roman -Catholicism
Sonia Sotomayor Roman -Catholicism
Elena Kagan -Judaism
Neil Gorsuch -Episcopalian, raised Roman Catholic
Brett Kavanaugh -Roman Catholicism
Last edited by Rick H; 12/22/1811:24 AM.
Re: Supreme Court Justices.....
[Re: Rick H]
#188130 12/23/1807:57 AM12/23/1807:57 AM
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Once upon a time in the not so distant past, America would not allow Catholics in political positions. Early Americans still had the persecutions of the middle ages sharp in their minds and felt any concessions with Catholic political people was a threat to religious freedom. Most Protestants still held to historicist method of interpretation of prophecy which exposed the papal church as the "little horn" etc.
Some took their hostilities to levels of abuse which doesn't give Protestantism a good name and is now used to condemn any notions of keeping Papal representatives out of office as "dark and evil history".
The election of Kennedy was actually quite a shocker, but it was also the beginning of change, till now the red carpet is being laid out to the pope and his men and even non Catholic Politician's received their education in Jesuit universities.
Back in the early 1900's books were still being written like "Rome Stoops to Conquer" (1935)by Boyd Barrett a scholar in Jesuit education, outlining the "the past, present and future struggles of a wounded church eagerly struggling to become the preeminent religious world power. For her, this begins with America -- the undisputed world leader. Why? Whoever controls America, controls the world. With eye opening research and well documented facts, Barrett reveals the Catholic Church's influence in every phase of national, civic, religious, and social life in America, with the ultimate goal of shatter the wall of separation between church and state."
Once upon a time in the not so distant past, America would not allow Catholics in political positions. Early Americans still had the persecutions of the middle ages sharp in their minds and felt any concessions with Catholic political people was a threat to religious freedom. Most Protestants still held to historicist method of interpretation of prophecy which exposed the papal church as the "little horn" etc.
Some took their hostilities to levels of abuse which doesn't give Protestantism a good name and is now used to condemn any notions of keeping Papal representatives out of office as "dark and evil history".
The election of Kennedy was actually quite a shocker, but it was also the beginning of change, till now the red carpet is being laid out to the pope and his men and even non Catholic Politician's received their education in Jesuit universities.
Back in the early 1900's books were still being written like "Rome Stoops to Conquer" (1935)by Boyd Barrett a scholar in Jesuit education, outlining the "the past, present and future struggles of a wounded church eagerly struggling to become the preeminent religious world power. For her, this begins with America -- the undisputed world leader. Why? Whoever controls America, controls the world. With eye opening research and well documented facts, Barrett reveals the Catholic Church's influence in every phase of national, civic, religious, and social life in America, with the ultimate goal of shatter the wall of separation between church and state."
Well put in a Catholic President, and with most of the Supreme Court being Catholic it would not be surprising to push through a Sunday Law.
Well put in a Catholic President, and with most of the Supreme Court being Catholic it would not be surprising to push through a Sunday Law.
It seems to me that the Catholics don't care as much about a "Sunday Law" as certain Protestants do.
I'm sure you are aware that the Catholic Church offers services (Mass, if you want) on Saturdays as well as Sundays. So I don't know why "they" would "push through" a Sunday law. Their own doctrine allows for worship on Saturday.
If one would actually dialogue with Catholics one would find them to be much more open and accommodating than you have been told, with extremely wide latitudes in theologies, doctrines, and practices.
So I think that Sunday laws are an example of "Our vision is often more obstructed by what we think we know than by our lack of knowledge."
"Our vision is often more obstructed by what we think we know than by our lack of knowledge." K. Stendahl
Re: Supreme Court Justices.....
[Re: Rick H]
#188450 02/09/1901:54 AM02/09/1901:54 AM
Stephen Bohr has a very interesting theory on this. it deals with climate change. Since it is an important topic, people are trying to find ways to be more conservative. Bohr believes that since the Pope has taken great interest in climate change, he may be leading in the Sunday law by asking for a day to let the earth rest as well as man, and using it for a day to be with family.
I am not worthy of the least of all the mercies, and of all the truth, which Thou hast shewed unto Thy servant;... Gen 32:10
Well put in a Catholic President, and with most of the Supreme Court being Catholic it would not be surprising to push through a Sunday Law.
It seems to me that the Catholics don't care as much about a "Sunday Law" as certain Protestants do.
I believe there was not the distinction between Catholics and the Papacy. Catholics are members of a church like many of us. Whereas the papacy is a power and force behind things, pushing for things, manipulating things. Many Catholics, including some priests, have not a clue what is happening. They are just people trying to live life. They do not know they are being deceived and led by the papacy.
Don't make Catholics and papacy one and the same.
And besides, the push for sunday laws will mostly be made by protestants, if there is any difference between them any more...
I believe there was not the distinction between Catholics and the Papacy. Catholics are members of a church like many of us. Whereas the papacy is a power and force behind things, pushing for things, manipulating things. Many Catholics, including some priests, have not a clue what is happening. They are just people trying to live life. They do not know they are being deceived and led by the papacy.
Don't make Catholics and papacy one and the same.
Really? Because everyone says "the Catholics, the Catholics, the Catholics." No one says "the Papacy."
Originally Posted By: kland
And besides, the push for sunday laws will mostly be made by protestants, if there is any difference between them any more...
Again, REALLY??? If it's going to be the PROTESTANTS...why is everyone afraid of the CATHOLICS?
"Our vision is often more obstructed by what we think we know than by our lack of knowledge." K. Stendahl
Re: Supreme Court Justices.....
[Re: Rick H]
#188488 02/14/1911:27 AM02/14/1911:27 AM
Not everyone is saying Catholics are pushing for sunday laws. In fact, I believe most Adventists would tell you it's the protestants, at least in the US.
Re 13:11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
"Most Supreme Court justices have been Protestant Christians. These have included 33 Episcopalians, 18 Presbyterians, nine Unitarians, five Methodists, three Baptists, and lone representatives of various other denominations.[77] William Rehnquist was the Court's only Lutheran. Noah Swayne was a Quaker. Some 15 Protestant justices did not adhere to a particular denomination. The religious beliefs of James Wilson, one of the earliest Justices, have been the subject of some dispute, as there are writings from various points of his life from which it can be argued that he leaned towards Presbyterianism, Anglicanism, Thomism, or Deism; it has been deemed likely that he eventually favored some form of Christianity.[78] Baptist denominations and other evangelical churches have been underrepresented on the Court, relative to the population of the United States. Conversely, mainline Protestant churches historically were overrepresented.[citation needed]
Following the retirement of John Paul Stevens in June 2010, the Court had an entirely non-Protestant composition for the first time in its history"...
John Roberts (Chief Justice) -Roman Catholicism
Clarence Thomas -Roman Catholicism
Ruth Bader Ginsburg -Judaism
Stephen Breyer -Judaism
Samuel Alito Roman -Catholicism
Sonia Sotomayor Roman -Catholicism
Elena Kagan -Judaism
Neil Gorsuch -Episcopalian, raised Roman Catholic
Brett Kavanaugh -Roman Catholicism
Imagine having Catholics and Jews determining what the Protestant framers of the Constitution meant when they wrote their world view into that document. Is it a wonder that the very principles that it incorporates get repudiated befor Christ Comes?
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
I believe there was not the distinction between Catholics and the Papacy. Catholics are members of a church like many of us. Whereas the papacy is a power and force behind things, pushing for things, manipulating things. Many Catholics, including some priests, have not a clue what is happening. They are just people trying to live life. They do not know they are being deceived and led by the papacy.
Don't make Catholics and papacy one and the same.
Really? Because everyone says "the Catholics, the Catholics, the Catholics." No one says "the Papacy."
Originally Posted By: kland
And besides, the push for sunday laws will mostly be made by protestants, if there is any difference between them any more...
Again, REALLY??? If it's going to be the PROTESTANTS...why is everyone afraid of the CATHOLICS?
The term Babylon, derived from Babel, and signifying confusion, is applied in Scripture to the various forms of false or apostate religion. But the message announcing the fall of Babylon must apply to some religious body that was once pure, and has become corrupt. It cannot be the Romish Church which is here meant; for that church has been in a fallen condition for many centuries. But how appropriate the figure as applied to the Protestant churches, all professing to derive their doctrines from the Bible, yet divided into almost innumerable sects. The unity for which Christ prayed does not exist. Instead of one Lord, one faith, one baptism, there are numberless conflicting creeds and theories. Religious faith appears so confused and discordant that the world know not what to believe as truth. God is not in all this; it is the work of man,--the work of Satan. {4SP 232.2}
Re: Supreme Court Justices.....
[Re: kland]
#188898 03/26/1912:34 AM03/26/1912:34 AM
The term Babylon, derived from Babel, and signifying confusion, is applied in Scripture to the various forms of false or apostate religion. But the message announcing the fall of Babylon must apply to some religious body that was once pure, and has become corrupt. It cannot be the Romish Church which is here meant; for that church has been in a fallen condition for many centuries. But how appropriate the figure as applied to the Protestant churches, all professing to derive their doctrines from the Bible, yet divided into almost innumerable sects. The unity for which Christ prayed does not exist. Instead of one Lord, one faith, one baptism, there are numberless conflicting creeds and theories. Religious faith appears so confused and discordant that the world know not what to believe as truth. God is not in all this; it is the work of man,--the work of Satan. {4SP 232.2}
That would obviously include SDA as well.
WHAT GREAT AND MIGHTY INSIGHT!
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Re: Supreme Court Justices.....
[Re: Theophilus]
#188899 03/26/1912:46 AM03/26/1912:46 AM
Stephen Bohr has a very interesting theory on this. it deals with climate change. Since it is an important topic, people are trying to find ways to be more conservative. Bohr believes that since the Pope has taken great interest in climate change, he may be leading in the Sunday law by asking for a day to let the earth rest as well as man, and using it for a day to be with family.
That is a good and marvelous thing! That is what God intended. Here are His words:
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it." -- Exod. 20:8-11
Even the animals must rest, and the plants and the land itself, as it is written: "to fulfill the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had enjoyed her Sabbaths. As long as she lay desolate she kept Sabbath, to fulfill seventy years." -- 2 Chron. 36:21
But SDA are not interested in the truth, but live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of Ellen White, saying, "We must hear it first from the sop before we believe it. Even if one were to say the moon was a big fat rock, we ask ourselves whether EGW said anything like that."
The term Babylon, derived from Babel, and signifying confusion, is applied in Scripture to the various forms of false or apostate religion. But the message announcing the fall of Babylon must apply to some religious body that was once pure, and has become corrupt. It cannot be the Romish Church which is here meant; for that church has been in a fallen condition for many centuries. But how appropriate the figure as applied to the Protestant churches, all professing to derive their doctrines from the Bible, yet divided into almost innumerable sects. The unity for which Christ prayed does not exist. Instead of one Lord, one faith, one baptism, there are numberless conflicting creeds and theories. Religious faith appears so confused and discordant that the world know not what to believe as truth. God is not in all this; it is the work of man,--the work of Satan. {4SP 232.2}
That would obviously include SDA as well.
WHAT GREAT AND MIGHTY INSIGHT!
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James, of course it does. And the faithful will sometimes have more pressure from fellow so-called "Adventists" than others. It's said that not 1 in 20 will be saved. Were you not aware of that statement? People will be people no matter what their denomination is.
Re: Supreme Court Justices.....
[Re: Rick H]
#188911 03/26/1910:47 AM03/26/1910:47 AM
His child SDA Active Member 2020
Very Dedicated Member
The warning to SDA's is the warning to the Laodiceans.
Originally Posted By: EGW
The message to the Laodiceans is applicable to Seventh-day Adventists who have had great light and have not walked in the light. It is those who have made great profession, but have not kept in step with their Leader, that will be spewed out of His mouth unless they repent. The message to pronounce the Seventh-Day Adventist Church Babylon, and call the people of God out of her, does not come from any heavenly messenger, or any human agent inspired by the Spirit of God. {2SM 66.2}
Originally Posted By: Revelation 3
14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
Originally Posted By: Revelation 6
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
The warning to SDA's is the warning to the Laodiceans.
Originally Posted By: EGW
The message to the Laodiceans is applicable to Seventh-day Adventists who have had great light and have not walked in the light. It is those who have made great profession, but have not kept in step with their Leader, that will be spewed out of His mouth unless they repent. The message to pronounce the Seventh-Day Adventist Church Babylon, and call the people of God out of her, does not come from any heavenly messenger, or any human agent inspired by the Spirit of God. {2SM 66.2}
Originally Posted By: Revelation 3
14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
Originally Posted By: Revelation 6
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
It is not that we are rich or to say we have no need, but because you yourself have proven, by your own actions, to be a false prophet, a myopic seer, a charlatan, a conjurer of non-existent meanings, a lover of crystal balls: a foolhardy and brazen condemner of those who point out these things in you, things that are plainly apparent.
Tell me: where is the righteousness of a boy who is caught with his hand in the cookie jar, withdraws it, hastily wipes his mouth of crumbs and loudly declares himself innocent -- all the while berating you for not knocking before you entered your own kitchen? Would you trust him at your table alone again?
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Re: Supreme Court Justices.....
[Re: Rick H]
#188916 03/27/1907:47 AM03/27/1907:47 AM
His child SDA Active Member 2020
Very Dedicated Member
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