or some might even consider he was placed there for a purpose. Was Hillary Clinton a greater danger than even Donald Trump?

I came across a video which I could not believe and yet I am finding it has more truth than I would have imagined.

"Book says Hillary talks to dead"
http://www.cnn.com/US/9606/22/hillary.book/

"Hillary Clinton ‘Communes’ with the Spirit of Eleanor Roosevelt"
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-clinton-communes-with-the-spirit-of-eleanor-roosevelt

Hillary was all but set to be elected as President according to the pollsters, the pundits, the newscasts and other news sources, and yet something happened to turn aside what appeared to a unstoppable assured victory. How could it have happened? Was the last minute rise of Donald Trump a diversion of something even more than we knew?

The corruption was well known, but Bill and Hillary's corruption was not the only issue, there was more below the surface...

http://www.despatch.cth.com.au/Misc/famous_2.htm

Spiritualism and freemasonry, were we in peril even worse than one would have thought?

What did you think of his State of the Union speech?

I actually fell asleep in the middle of it.

It was the effort of a short timer to rally his troops. Though he said "the right things" I suspect that he did not mean his words to convey what the hearer thinks he said. "Double speak"

Well, should Adventist even vote for or involve themselves with any of the candidates.

What do you think is the relevance of Jesus' word, "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar?s, and to God the things that are God?s" (Mark 12:17) around the time of elections? Or are all elections anti-Christian and should be disavowed?

Well, when we are about to see the "image of the Beast" come about, its relevant as it shows how close we are to the Second Coming.

Then all the more you should involve yourself with the candidate which would delay the image coming about!

the image of the beast is the image of a man. it would be like trump setting up a statue of himself near the washington monument. is trump capable of doing that? the evidence points strongly in that direction. he's an unscrupulous liar, a vicious racist and possessor of a conscience seared with a hot iron already. he's the harbinger of what is to come

So do you think he's not going to be in office by the end of the year, and pence or obama take his place?

ask "his child"

he's been reading the tea leaves and who knows what his cup of tea tomorrow would reveal on its bottom?

k: So do you think
j: ask "his child"

?

Ask his child what you think?

well, you did mention obama returning to office for which there is only one person's reading of the tea leaves as such: 'his child'

he's an authority on the matter

I think it will come despite the best attempts by men to stop it, so we need to be as it says 'wise as serpents, and harmless as doves'..

When I understood that the papal beast in Revelation 13 had duo "two horns"
I could see no other option for prophecy to be fulfilled.

The 7 heads on the papal beast were: Pius XI and XII, John XXIII, Paul VI, John-Paul I and II, and Benedict.
In the reigns of President Bush II and Pope Benedict XVI, the prophecy moved from the papal beast to the earth beast.
Since a horn is a king (Dan 7:23; 8:21-22) and the beast only had duo horns Bush II (horn one) Obama (horn 2)
I assumed that Trump had to be in office for less than a year and Obama had to come back into office.
in order for the traditional reading of duo horns (2 horns) to be correct

The traditional duo reading was incorrect.
The reading of duo as it in in Luke 10:1 (two by two or two and two) is the correct reading.

When the first beast transitioned to the earth-beast the horns were: Bush II, Obama, and Trump with one to yet come come

further study of Daniel 8 and 11 indicates that Trump will be broken
and from the four powers remaining in America (Senate, House of Reps,, Supreme Court, and presidency)
a little horn will arise that will become great toward the promised land (Israel)
He is the power identified in Daniel 11:30...



Knowing that GW was anointed the Protestant Prince of America's Covenant on the very day identified in Daniel 9
and that the Protestant Prince of America's Covenant title went from GW to Obama and on to Trump
and that duo horns indicates a fourth and final horn of the earth-beast

Daniel 12:1 explains who Michael, the Protestant Prince of America's Covenant is that comes from
America's (Senate, House of Reps,, Supreme Court, and presidency) when the Trump horn is broken.

So you can attribute my prophetic understanding as "reading tea leaves" if you so desire

But the promise is that in the endtime knowledge will increase regarding Daniel's prophecies
And if we expect to successfully make it through the Time of Trouble,

we are obligated to study the prophecies and to follow them
and if the devil can get you to believe that Bible prophecy is no more accurate than tea leaves
he is going to rejoice with great joy as he runs your clock down.

After America's Prince Michael of the Constitution stands for his people the Time of trouble morphs in Armageddon
Then Michael (Christ) will stand for us.



We have arrived at the time when there will be no delaying Bible prophecy. As the fruit follows the bud on the fig tree, Michael Pence will follow Trump and the Mark of the beast will be implemented and God's people will be sealed and judgment will begin at the House of God.

Here is the explanation from Doug Batchelor:

"What is symbolized by its two lamb-like horns and absence of crowns?

Answer: Horns represent kings and kingdoms or governments (Daniel 7:24; 8:21). In this case, they represent the United States? two governing principles: civil and religious liberty. These two principles have also been labeled ?republicanism? (a government without a king) and ?Protestantism? (a church without a pope). Other nations since ancient times had taxed people to support a state religion. Most had also oppressed religious dissidents. But the United States established something entirely new: freedom to worship without government interference. Absence of crowns signifies a republican form of government, rather than a monarchy. Lamb-like horns denote an innocent, young, non-oppressive, peace-loving, and spiritual nation. (Jesus is referred to as a lamb 28 times in Revelation.)

Special Note: How we wish we could stop right here in Jesus? description of the United States?but we can?t, because He didn?t stop. What comes next might be jolting. The United States is a great country, with its freedom of conscience, press, speech, and enterprise; its opportunities; its sense of fair play; its sympathy for the underdog; and its Christian orientation. It is not perfect, but even still, a host of people from around the world seek to become its citizens every year. Sadly, this richly blessed country will change drastically.

What does Revelation 13:11 mean when it says the United States will speak ?like a dragon??
Answer: As you learned in Study Guide 20, the dragon is Satan, who works through various earthly powers to establish his own kingdom and to crush God?s church by persecuting and destroying God?s people. Satan?s aim always has been to usurp God?s throne and to force people to worship and obey him. (See Study Guide 2 for details.) So, speaking as a dragon means the United States (under the influence of Satan) will, in the end time, force people to worship contrary to conscience or be punished.

What specifically will the United States do that will cause it to speak as a dragon?
Answer: Notice these four crucial points:

A. ?Exercises all the authority of the first beast? (Revelation 13:12) The United States will become a persecuting power that will force people to go against their conscience, as did papal Rome?which is portrayed in the first half of Revelation chapter 13.

B. ?Causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed? (Revelation 13:12). The United States will lead the nations of the world in forcing allegiance to the papal antichrist. The issue is always worship. Who will you worship and obey? Will it be Christ, your Creator and Redeemer, or antichrist? Every soul on earth will finally worship one or the other. Satan?s approach will appear to be deeply spiritual, and incredible miracles will be seen (Revelation 13:13, 14)?which will deceive billions (Revelation 13:3). Those who refuse to join this movement will be considered divisive, stubborn, radical, and unpatriotic. Jesus labeled Protestant America of the end time a ?false prophet? (Revelation 19:20; 20:10), because it will appear spiritual and trustworthy but instead will be satanic in its conduct. All this may seem impossible, but Jesus? words are always reliable and true (Titus 1:2). He foretold the rise and fall of the four world empires and the antichrist (Daniel chapters 2 and 7) at a time when such predictions seemed outlandish and incredible. But all came to pass precisely as predicted. His warning to us today regarding prophecy is, ?I have told you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe? (John 14:29).

C. ?Telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived? (Revelation 13:14). The United States will make an image to the beast by legislating religious practice. It will pass laws requiring worship and force people to either obey them or face death. This action is a copy?or ?image??of the church-state form of government the papacy ruled with at the height of her power during the Middle Ages, when millions were slain for their faith. The United States will combine civil government and apostate Protestantism in a ?marriage? that will support the papacy. It will then influence all the nations of the world to follow her example. Thus, the papacy will gain worldwide support.

D. ?And cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed? (Revelation 13:15). The United States, as head of this international movement, will next influence the nations of the world to impose a death sentence upon all who refuse to worship the beast or his image. Another name for this worldwide coalition is ?Babylon the Great.? (See Study Guide 22 for more information.) This worldwide alliance will, in the name of Christ, substitute the policeman?s power for the Holy Spirit?s gentle persuasion?and it will force worship.

https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4998/t/the-usa-in-bible-prophecy

I wonder if he reads Ellen White....

Of course Doug got it from misreading EGW
Horns are symbolic of kings (Dan 7:24; 8:20, Rev 17:12)
The characteristics of the 2 lamblike horns are republicanism and Protestantism.
Doug should be able to differentiate between the symbol and its characteristics.
(and you should too)



The horns are symbolic of kings (rulers)
The characteristics that identify those kings are Republicanism and Protestantism

The dou horns are (2 and 2 literal men) Bush II and Obama : Trump and Pence
The identifying features of Trump and Pence are their claims to Republicanism and Protestantism

But you do not have to look at the evidence
believe what is so clearly pointed out in prophecy
or set aside tradition as prophecy meets history;
you can wait until it is too late
and when there is no room for error (you will not be embarrassed because you made a mistake)
and hope that (I was the one making the mistake) and that you did not wait too late to be among the 5 wise virgins.

I still believe Ellen White, though some here already appear to be rejecting her. Doug has it right, according to her.





Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

WHY do you go against her then????From eternity there was a complete unity between the Father and the Son. They were two, yet little short of being identical; two in individuality, yet one in spirit, and heart, and character. {YI, December 16, 1897 par. 5}

So, was the election of Trump inevitable?

All this "duo" interpretation is just speculation.
Once upon a time it was Bill Clinton who was to stumble and be broken and Gore was to be president. That line of thinking changes all the time.

However, the question is interesting -- was the election of Trump inevitable?

In this the study of Daniel does give us some insight.

Daniel 2:21 "God removeth kings, and setteth up kings:
Daniel 4:17 "know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men."


Romans 13:1 ?There is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.?

These are interesting texts! Consider the verse in Romans 13:1. Paul probably wrote those words around A.D. 56-57. The emperor at the time was Nero. He had caused Christians considerable grief! Yet one does not see Paul lashing out against Nero We see no words urging impeachment. Paul was aware of Nero?s wickedness, yet he does not question why God put Nero in power.

The Bible states that horns are symbolic of kings.
EGW identifies the characteristics of the horns as they relate to the earth-beast (America).
Superficial Bible study mixed with a twisted reading from the Spirit of prophecy turns truth into a lie.
When the lie is pointed out, there is an opportunity to learn and grow.
Like a Sunday keeper learning about the Sabbath for the first time.
Or one can take the view that they will continue to believe what they believe
Like the Sunday keeper that says, It was good enough for my grandparents, it is good enough for me.

The correct response to increased light will be a blessing
The incorrect response to increased light will not be a blessing.

When we follow prophecy as far as we can, we may have to wait for it to catch up to us.
Albert (6) Arnold (6) Gore II (6) =666 and he won the election, but did not become president
George (6) Walker (6) Bush (4) became President George (6) Walker (6) Bush II (6)
GW has a count of 666 by virtue of the fact that God put him in office
And then a fascinating study of Daniel 9 aligns with his inauguration day.

After President Bush II was inaugurated what was not understood before the fact became clear
when Daniel and Revelation explained themselves by their fulfillment.

The same is true of Presidents Bush II and Obama.
When Bush II fulfilled the 666 count, why would I look for anyone to come after him.
Then when Obama came along, it was back to the Bible to see what was missed
Then Bush II and Obama were understood to be like pagan and Papal Rome=2 phases.
Obama also linked to 666. End of the prophecy.
No need to look for another American President on the earth beast with 2 horns

Then comes Trump.
Where does he fit in Daniel 7 and the 2 lamblike horns in Revelation 13?
DUO explains that.
But not according to Green who says that the lamblike horns are not Presidents.

Green. Instead of seeing a progression of knowledge being increased,
looks at it as wrong, wrong, and wrong again.

Thus, Green takes the view that the book of revelation is mystical and its times are mystical
and she wants to wait and see.

I take the view that the times in Revelation are definite and they can be understood.
When I find something that I did not understand before the fact,
I compare what was know beforehand to what happened and search the Scriptures
to understand why the fulfillment was different than what I expected.

I conclude that it is possible to go from a partial understanding to a more complete understanding
Green concludes, "you got it wrong in the past, abandon you study, it is leading you astray."

As the final complete fulfillment is about to overtake us,
we will not have long to wait for the parable of the 10 virgins come upon us.