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Re: God is wrapping it up!
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03/06/19 02:24 AM
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March 4th is gone and March 4th will soon be over with nothing eventful having happened on March 4th.
Another date-setting date, namely March 4th has come and gone.
What is the next date going to be and what is supposed to happen on that new date?
I think everybody is getting tired over all this date-setting, myself included. " To whom has the LORD spoken?" That is the question. People read the Bible and calculate dates from morning until night; then they raise their voices against those who would not abide by their assumptions turned prognostications turned definitive WORD. God has a strategy with such people: sit and wait, give them lots of rope, and watch them hang themselves. Mat. 27:3-10 cf. Psalm 2:4///
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Re: God is wrapping it up!
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03/08/19 02:35 PM
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March 4th is gone and March 4th will soon be over with nothing eventful having happened on March 4th.
Another date-setting date, namely March 4th has come and gone.
What is the next date going to be and what is supposed to happen on that new date?
I think everybody is getting tired over all this date-setting, myself included. I agree. Nothing eventful, at least in terms of any prophetic significance, took place on March 4th. As I posted before that date, I knew already that nothing would happen on that day. I was confident of this, because Mrs. White has informed us that all such false prophecies would fail. I'm so glad we have Ellen White's good counsels to guide us! Without her writings, we might be left in a sea of confusion, tossed to and fro by the winds of ignorance, strife, and error. The times and seasons God has put in His own power. And why has not God given us this knowledge?-- Because we would not make a right use of it if He did. A condition of things would result from this knowledge among our people that would greatly retard the work of God in preparing a people to stand in the great day that is to come. We are not to be engrossed with speculations in regard to the times and the seasons which God has not revealed. Jesus has told His disciples to "watch," but not for definite time. His followers are to be in the position of those who are listening for the orders of their Captain; they are to watch, wait, pray, and work, as they approach the time for the coming of the Lord; but no one will be able to predict just when that time will come; for "of that day and hour knoweth no man." You will not be able to say that He will come in one, two, or five years, neither are you to put off His coming by stating that it may not be for ten or twenty years. . . . We are not to know the definite time either for the outpouring of the Holy Spirit or for the coming of Christ.--Review and Herald, March 22, 1892. And here are additional details: I plainly stated at the Jackson camp meeting to these fanatical parties that they were doing the work of the adversary of souls; they were in darkness. They claimed to have great light that probation would close in October, 1884. I there stated in public that the Lord had been pleased to show me that there would be no definite time in the message given of God since 1844.--2SM 73 (1885). {LDE 35.3}
Our position has been one of waiting and watching, with no time-proclamation to intervene between the close of the prophetic periods in 1844 and the time of our Lord's coming.--10MR 270 (1888). {LDE 36.1}
The people will not have another message upon definite time. After this period of time [Revelation 10:4-6], reaching from 1842 to 1844, there can be no definite tracing of the prophetic time. The longest reckoning reaches to the autumn of 1844.--7BC 971 (1900). {LDE 36.2} So, we cannot know the following times: 1) Outpouring of the holy spirit 2) Second coming 3) Close of probation 4) ANY "definite time" The message is clear: STOP SETTING DATES. God has not given us this work. There won't be any legitimate dates to set in our message to the people from now to the second coming. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: God is wrapping it up!
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03/08/19 03:16 PM
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Shall we take bets on the date that he sets another date?
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Re: God is wrapping it up!
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03/08/19 03:46 PM
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6. EGW's support of un-biblical doctrines. Examples include, but are not limited to, the Investigative Judgement (IJ) doctrine.
What do you say is happening in the following verse? Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
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Re: God is wrapping it up!
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03/08/19 09:54 PM
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6. EGW's support of un-biblical doctrines. Examples include, but are not limited to, the Investigative Judgement (IJ) doctrine.
What do you say is happening in the following verse? Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
If you want to pursue a discussion of the Investigative Judgement, check the following thread as a discussion on this topic already exists. http://www.maritime-sda-online.com/forum...8228#Post188228
"Our vision is often more obstructed by what we think we know than by our lack of knowledge." K. Stendahl
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Re: God is wrapping it up!
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03/09/19 02:06 AM
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6. EGW's support of un-biblical doctrines. Examples include, but are not limited to, the Investigative Judgement (IJ) doctrine.
What do you say is happening in the following verse? Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
That's not about an SDA IJ at all; so it is safe to discuss the verse on this thread. The angel speaking with John told him what "judgment" it was. And it was God's judgment of Babylon. Look at the series of proclamations (Rev. 14:6-13): - "Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water."
NOTICE THE CALL TO WORSHIP GOD ALONE
- "Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication."
NOTICE WHY BABYLON "IS FALLEN": THE WRATH OF HER FORNICATION (WITH WHO????)
- "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
NOTICE THE JUDGMENT: THE WRATH OF GOD POURED OUT FULL STRENGTH INTO THE CUP OF HIS INDIGNATION!!!!!!!!!
In other words, Babylon, instead of advancing the worship of God, was colluding with the Beast and in fierce anger forcing others to worship the Image. For that reason, Babylon "was fallen" --- and the hour of God's judgment against that city had come. Do SDA consider themselves to be BABYLON THE GREAT MOTHER OF HARLOTS? Then why do they continue to follow blindly, stumbling into the ditch of mangled and convoluted wrong interpretations, declaring themselves to be under judgment? John 5:24 ///
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Re: God is wrapping it up!
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03/09/19 02:20 AM
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That's not about an SDA IJ at all; No other denomination of any stripe, past, present, or future, believes the doctrine of the Investigative Judgement. It is unique to Seventh-day Adventists. So...YES, it IS an SDA IJ.
"Our vision is often more obstructed by what we think we know than by our lack of knowledge." K. Stendahl
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Re: God is wrapping it up!
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03/09/19 05:59 AM
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That's not about an SDA IJ at all; No other denomination of any stripe, past, present, or future, believes the doctrine of the Investigative Judgement. It is unique to Seventh-day Adventists. So...YES, it IS an SDA IJ. *** - You MISSED the point which was: << "That's [i.e. Rev. 14:7] not about an SDA IJ." >> Look before you leap.
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Re: God is wrapping it up!
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03/09/19 01:24 PM
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Amazing the feedback that was generated by my post.
The fact is that 4 March was a super blessing to me personally spiritually and otherwise in ways that I had neve imagined. It came out of the blue and it was of the LORD.
Perhaps you should go back to reread my post and see what I actually said instead of trusting the comments as to what people have read into my post. There are things that the LORD wants us to understand and the Laodicean mindset is so ingrained in some of us that we won't look at anything because of a fear of getting something wrong, then we won't be ready to go forward by faith. And we may be too ready to join the accuser of the brethren.
It is the time of the final shaking. Surely from some of the comments posted the LORD will not have a difficult time to see who is a skeptic and who is a Bible student.
In the parable of the 10 virgins some slumbered and some slept. Studying those words some dosed off and some died. The dozing virgins can awake in time, the dead virgins won't awaken until the resurrection. Too late to meet the Bride Groom.
To those who tried to enter into a reasoning together conversation, I thank you. To those who criticized and merely found fault without trying to uplift Jesus, I pity you.
I am a student of the Bible. I try to understand it and I study with prayer and an open mind. And the LORD has blessed my study, though I like John the Baptist who did not understand everything clearly went forward with what he did understand. After he proclaimed that Jesus was the Lamb of God, he sent messengers to Jesus to ask if He was the Messiah. There are somethings that we know and we need confirmation.
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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Re: God is wrapping it up!
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03/09/19 03:07 PM
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On March 1, 2019, "His Child" wrote the following: My current understanding as of Bible study last night and this morning:
The vote against woman's ordination was official Wednesday, 8 July 2015, when God's people set up an abomination in our midst. "From the time that the continual [will of God] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up [8 July], there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days." That allotted time ended on 18 January 2019 at which time we were at the 9th day in the 10 days of prayer. The text that day: "For I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep what I have committed to Him until that Day" (2 TIMOTHY 1:12). The promise that follows is: " Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days." As I read it the blessing will come on 4 March 2019. That is a few days away. Unfortunately, in that statement he has made more than one misstep. 1) According to Ellen White, there will be no more prophecy upon definite time. But HC has here given TWO times, erroneously said to be prophetic. 2) He claims that "God's people set up an abomination in our midst" on 8 July 2015, the day women's ordination was rejected for the third time at a General Conference Session. This implies that: a) HC does not accept that Ellen White's counsels are still applicable today, for she says the decisions of the General Conference in Session are to be regarded as the voice of God; and b) HC believes it is an "abomination" to reject women's ordination--something which is not supported in Scriptures. His Child, Jesus loves you. But: "Good and evil never harmonize. Between light and darkness there can be no compromise. Truth is light revealed; error is darkness. Light has no fellowship with darkness, righteousness no fellowship with unrighteousness." You cannot speak in contradiction to God's inspired writers and expect Him to accept the error as if it were of no consequence. Error is a serious thing. . . . The Lord presents himself as the authority for his requirements. There is to be no departure from the word of God in order to exalt the word of man. God is authority and what he says is to be done. {RH, August 9, 1898 par. 11}
The whole matter centers here. Obedience means eternal life; disobedience means eternal death. Error never becomes truth, though it may be hoary with age. Then shall intelligent beings decide that in this world, to which Satan was banished as an exile, God has given the rebel what he claimed and failed to gain in heaven? Shall the professed Christian churches change leaders, taking a "Thus saith Satan" in the place of a "Thus saith the Lord"? {RH, August 9, 1898 par. 12}
When there is so much at stake, why do not those who claim to be God's delegated messengers go to the Word of life, and make honest, wise, prayerful research, saying, We will know what saith the Lord in this matter? If the search is undertaken in the spirit of Christ, it will be awarded. But if the teachers of the people echo the words of the great apostate, it will be found to their shame and ruin; and they will carry with them those whom they have deceived, as Satan in his rebellion carried out of the heavenly courts those who accepted his words instead of the words of God. {RH, August 9, 1898 par. 13}
Sin lies at the door of those who do not allow their ignorance to be expelled by the rays of light from God's word. They are doing what the Jews did in the days of Christ,--teaching for doctrine the commandments of men. By their actions they say, We do not wish to be disturbed. Let us alone. Do not disturb our peace. To God's messengers, sent to them with words of warning and reproof, they say, "Art thou he that troubleth Israel?" {RH, August 9, 1898 par. 14} You should find that last paragraph to be especially thought-provoking in your case, His Child. When I have presented words of wisdom from Mrs. White that apply directly to your case, you have mislabeled me as the accuser of the brethren. But from whom did the rebukes come? Whose pen recorded those messages? Be careful, "lest haply ye be found even to fight against God." Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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