His Child,

You should cease your prognostications, for they are false and merely sensationalistic. If you must continue posting false prophecies, I wish you would find somewhere else to do so. As a moderator here, I hate to feel the burden of making a judgment as to whether to allow your false teachings to remain, and I am beginning to wonder if I should remove them. I'm sure you are sincere in your beliefs, but you have many times posted false prophecies here, and, unfortunately, you continue doing so--seemingly never having learned from your past errors.

Pence is NOT the "Michael" of which the Bible speaks. Ellen White is clear enough that the One who stands up is Jesus Christ.



The Biblical language about "Michael" is clear. He is our Prince. Remember, a "prince" is a son of a king. Not only is He our Prince, He is called "the great prince." Pence is not so great. The media has been hard on him lately for some of his indiscretions. Even if he is elected, and even if he brings in the Sunday law, he will never be the "Michael" addressed by Daniel 12:1. Never.

Selah.

Green Cochoa.

Why do you say that? You say 2=4 because your presumed prophecy didn't match math, so since trump is not being impeached, why not recalculate your prophecy to be something else?

You can't have it both ways, Henry.

Green,

Truth from error is often difficult to discern. The counterfeit is so close to the truth that Christ said something like: If it were not for the Spirit of God giving discernment, the very elect might be deceived.

My replies thus far have been honest answers to honest questions. I would not have spoken so much to the point in this phase of the study (before all of the facts were established from a study of history, the Bible and the Spirit of prophecy) except those questions were asked and in all honesty, they could not be ignored.

If you have truth that contradicts what I have written, please share it with me that I may see my error.

The Spirit of prophecy that you shared above is true. If it were a message that is to be applied to those in Laodicea, there are two classes in that church of Laodicea: One class that is approved of God and another that thinks that they see things as they really are, while Christ calls them BLIND. That poses a problem: The blind think that they see. How then are the blind to know that they are the blind while thinking that they are the ones that see or the sighted to bring light to the blind, who do not know that they are the blind?

Jesus said that the wheat and tares would grow together until the harvest. Does He intend that to be the case in the Church of Laodicea?

I accept the reference in Daniel 12 about Michael as relating to Christ. BUT I now see that there is a counterfeit Michael in that passage as well. So should the truth about Michael/Christ be allowed to conceal everything else in the passage that God has placed there for those who are about to enter the Time of Trouble?

Truth will prevail and false teachings will be seen as the errors that they are that Satan has designed to deceive the very elect. It would be sad for you to cast your shadow over a study that is seeking truth. The word of God will do the work that He has appointed it to do.

This is a warning that we would do well to heed that it should not be said of any of us:

Ellen G. White

Ellen G. White and her writings influenced Christianity worldwide. Eyewitnesses reported a miraculous Bible study when she held a large family Bible up with one hand and turned the pages with the other while looking Heavenward. She would point to a specific text and say it aloud, and then she would turn to another text while still looking away and repeat the process until the study was done.

In 1970, Ellen’s grandson, Arthur White, told me about that miracle and the testimony of those who had seen it. He showed me the very Bible that Ellen had held up. It was more like an unabridged dictionary than a Bible that we use today.

How could a woman of average size hold a heavy Bible up like that? It must have weighed about as much as three gallons of milk; being held high to one side with one hand while her head was turned heavenward; while pointing to the texts and quoting them verbatim. There is no comparison.

In addition to this manifestation of the Holy Spirit in the life of Ellen White, her relationship with the Lord allowed her to be used mightily. Could she have been a prophetess?

Google her. Some who have rejected Ellen White speak negatively of her appearance and criticize her in other ways. Notice how her Christian life and writings have blessed society: With good health through hospitals like Loma Linda, education through the Seventh-day Adventist school system that circles the globe, sound Bible teachings that exalt Jesus, and prosperity by showing folks how to better themselves in fulfillment of God’s word: “Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth” (3 John 1:2). Ellen White gave meaning to Peter’s instruction to Christians, “whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation” (1 Peter 2:12).

God wants us to know what is for our best interest. He sends us prophecy to guide us and people to instruct us.

Nothing in the Bible forbids Ellen White from being a prophetess. If her prophetic insights agree with the Bible, failing to read and heed her writings is like ignoring the speed limit while speeding past a highway patrol car.

I agree with your assessment of Henry (aka His Child & Charity???)'s prognostications. They are like the mist of the morning which appears beautiful but dissipates into nothing in the bright light of day. Therefore, they are harmless and only represent a proclivity for notoriety, given that their meanings frequently and shamelessly change and shift and update and finally get thrown in the bin. The best argument against them is not denunciation or erasure or excommunication, but time.

You would do well to simply allow others to engage him in conversation which would make those debates the footnote to his posts that they do not represent the truth or at least, the ideas espoused by Maritime SDA.

As I've said a million times before, Roman Catholicism by any other name (e.g. SDA) is just as tasteless. The resort to deletion and banning is tantamount to silencing the conscience. You begin to indicate to others that your end is nigh and the door of your coffin is about to be sealed. You begin to see in Mike Pence, Michael the Archangel. Look at the tattered reputation of Henry the Great (aka His Child and Charity???). Do you also want to go down that road in a bubble of echoes divorced from reality?

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The Message of Prophecy

What is the final message of mercy to the world Henry? That Pense will be president? Nope. It is not about humans, it is about God. John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

It is the darkness of misapprehension of God that is enshrouding the world. Men are losing their knowledge of His character. It has been misunderstood and misinterpreted. At this time a message from God is to be proclaimed, a message illuminating in its influence and saving in its power. His character is to be made known. Into the darkness of the world is to be shed the light of His glory, the light of His goodness, mercy, and truth. {COL 415.3}
 
This is the work outlined by the prophet Isaiah in the words, "O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God! Behold, the Lord God will come with strong hand, and His arm shall rule for Him; behold, His reward is with Him, and His work before Him." Isa_40:9-10. {COL 415.4}
 
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love. The children of God are to manifest His glory. In their own life and character they are to reveal what the grace of God has done for them. {COL 415.5}
 
The light of the Sun of Righteousness is to shine forth in good works--in words of truth and deeds of holiness. {COL 416.1}
 
Christ, the outshining of the Father's glory, came to the world as its light. He came to represent God to men, and of Him it is written that He was anointed "with the Holy Ghost and with power," and "went about doing good." Acts 10:38. In the synagogue at Nazareth He said, "The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He hath anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor; He hath sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, to preach the acceptable year of the Lord." Luke 4:18-19. This was the work He commissioned His disciples to do. "Ye are the light of the world," He said. "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." Matthew 5:14; Matthew 5:16. {COL 416.2}

That is the message.

Finding Vice President Pence in prophecy doesn't make sense to me mainly because it implies Jesus could not have returned "ere this". Whereas it is evident to me the stage has been set for Jesus to return at any time since shortly after 1844. I believe one of the main reasons (perhaps the only reason) Jesus hasn't returned yet is because His Chosen People have not embraced the righteousness by faith lifestyle.

Mike,

Perhaps it is a little less complicated than you might think.

For example: The 42 months in Revelation 13 was fulfilled from 538-1798. Thus Christ could have come as prophesied after that prophecy was fulfilled. But we were not prepared for His coming. Thus He allowed that which had been to be repeated. And once the prophecy began to be repeated that which has been is to be again until the appointed time when the Lord will not allow any more delay.

Food for thought.

Prophetic Ignorance

It makes a difference to us if we place the fulfillment of Bible prophecy in the past, the present, or the future. To correctly understand Bible prophecy, it must be in the right time placement. There are prophecies that have been fulfilled in the past that will have their final or complete fulfillment before Jesus Returns. But giving prophecies a secondary fulfillment when it is commonly thought that the prophecy has been fulfilled poses problems. Some people will not accept multiple fulfilments after they believe that the prophecy has been fulfilled, and some overlook the specifics relating to a prophecy that may not have been completely fulfilled, while believing that that prophecy has been fulfilled. Its pending fulfillment can be overlooked entirely. Or while looking for prophetic fulfillment in the future, its past fulfillment can be overlooked.

Years ago, M. E. Cornell wrote: “When a prophecy is applied in the right place, there will be a perfect fitness in the application. And when not rightly applied, there will not be a perfect fulfillment of all the specifications laid down.”

A. T. Jones offered this insight: “It has been a proverb that ‘history repeats itself.’ And in that lies the truth that history is in itself prophecy which conveys to the careful and wise student instruction and admonitions concerning important movements in his own day and nation.”

Bible prophecies must be evaluated thoroughly and honestly. It is dangerous not to do this. If personal opinions or traditions determine the meaning of Bible prophecy apart from the Bible, misunderstandings will result. Historically, a misunderstanding of the meaning of the cleansing of the Sanctuary skewed Bible prophetic understanding in 1843 and 44. That misunderstanding caused some of those, who were waiting for Christ’s return in glory, to turn away from Him. Though more Bible study cleared up the error, it was too late for many who had misunderstood the Present Truth before all of the facts were known. History has repeated itself.

By faith, will we believe the prophetic evidence that God has revealed for our day; the Present Truth that is about to happen or as it happens? When prophecy is fulfilled before our very eyes, will we believe that God knows what is for our best interest, and will we follow where God is leading? Or will we ignore God and explain away Present Truth by claiming to get our prophetic understanding from the Bible, the word of God, and ignore the media reports that confirm that His word is being fulfilled! Will we do our own thing; only to learn too late the consequences of rebelling against God and the messages that He sends to bless us?

Before Jesus was born, God provided more than enough evidence to confirm His sure word that foretold Christ’s First Advent. When Jesus came, the Jews had prophecy fulfilled: The testimony of the shepherds that had heard and seen Heaven’s angels and the holy child, the magi, the testimony of God’s two faithful servants in the temple, John’s witness at Christ’s baptism, Christ’s life, His miracles, and His resurrection. Though all of this declared Jesus to be the promised Messiah, who fulfilled prophecy, very few believed.

Though God had given ample evidence before Christ’s birth to identify Jesus, Israel’s leading men did not accept Him as the Messiah even after He fulfilled Bible prophecy exactly on time! Nor did they cooperate with Heaven to give the gospel message to the world. Will we fail as they failed?

We have the endtime Present Truth that declares Prophecy Fulfilled! Pope Benedict XVI arose at the appointed time, continued for a short space, and resigned at the time appointed of Heaven; there are now two living popes (with a 3rd soon to come); and (spiritually speaking) ISIS has dried the Euphrates River up (cf Revelation 16:12). This will climax when the 7 last plagues are poured out upon the world.

Very few people anticipated that the short space in Revelation 17 related to Pope Benedict XVI. How do we know that endtime popes or presidents are revealed in Bible prophecy? As this study continues, the Scriptures will reveal the Present Truth that is essential for us to understand.

Present Truth IS challenging traditional teachings that have failed to see popes in endtime Bible prophecy: In spite of the fact that traditional Bible studies recognize that a pope is linked to the plucking up of three horns in Daniel 7. Will we examine the facts or choose to cling to unreliable notions that have lingered like the popular ideas of Israel’s leaders in Christ’s Day, who rejected Jesus? Can we expect a different outcome if we have the same mindset as those, who refused to honestly consider evidence that did not fit their beliefs?

The problem is not Bible prophecy. The problem is that man’s prophetic speculations have become more trusted than the prophecies. Instead of teaching Bible Truths, speculation is taught as truth. Because man has taken Bible prophecy out of context, prophetic chains have been forged that are not inspired. Bible study has evolved into a study of man’s speculations and assumptions about what the Bible means instead of letting the Bible explain itself.

We must compare Scripture with Scripture to learn the meaning of Bible prophecy. Supplemental explanations of these prophecies can be a blessing if they are correct, but they are: Useless apart from the Bible. For supplemental teachings to have merit, they must align with Bible prophecy. They must be reviewed and revised frequently or else they will stand fast when prophecy moves. Light from the word of God moves; we must follow it or be found in darkness. Man’s opinions cannot be held so dogmatically that they have supremacy over God’s word.

Though Jesus promises to meet our needs, it is our duty to search for and to accept that which He provides in His word; but instead of searching the Bible for Present Truth, some are dependent on a pastor. They expect him to do their Bible study for them. How can anyone that does not value Christ enough to study His word, be ready to meet Him?



That mindset held sway for centuries when Bibles were chained to the pulpits. People depended upon priests to explain God’s word: It got so misconstrued that tradition and rituals usually superseded it. In fact, religious confusion stifled the intellect for 1260 years: Those were the Dark Ages.