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Re: 4th Quarter 2019
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09/30/19 11:03 AM
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In order to fulfill the starting point of the prophecies of the 70 weeks and the 2,300 evenings and mornings (which both began in 457 B.C.), God graciously intervened and influenced King Artaxerxes I to allow Ezra along with a group of Israelites to return to Jerusalem, to secure the safety of their journey, and even to provide needed physical and financial provisions for the temple services (Ezra 7:11-28).
In order to fulfill the starting point...God graciously intervened Do you agree or disagree with that statement?
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Re: 4th Quarter 2019
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09/30/19 05:34 PM
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In order to fulfill the starting point of the prophecies of the 70 weeks and the 2,300 evenings and mornings (which both began in 457 B.C.), God graciously intervened and influenced King Artaxerxes I to allow Ezra along with a group of Israelites to return to Jerusalem, to secure the safety of their journey, and even to provide needed physical and financial provisions for the temple services (Ezra 7:11-28).
In order to fulfill the starting point...God graciously intervened Do you agree or disagree with that statement? the statement is NOT true. and those who propose such a thing are lying. here is the truth (2 Chron. 36:22-23): Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, so that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and also put it in writing, saying, "Thus says Cyrus king of Persia: All the kingdoms of the earth the Lord God of heaven has given me. And He has commanded me to build Him a house at Jerusalem which is in Judah. Who is among you of all His people? May the Lord his God be with him, and let him go up!" but though you try to reason with sda according to the word of God, they shut their eyes and their ears and shout, "nananananananana!"
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Re: 4th Quarter 2019
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10/04/19 09:58 PM
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James,
You correctly found the fulfillment of the prophecy of Jeremiah; however, you have not connected the dots with regard to Daniel's prophecy, which is what the lesson addresses relative to 2300 days (evenings and mornings). Jeremiah did not mention 2300 days; his prophecy was for a time of 70 years of captivity. When the captives first returned from Babylon, following their initial captivity when Daniel and his friends were taken to Babylon, that fulfilled Jeremiah's prophecy. That was in the first year of Cyrus, as the Bible says. But there was a delay between the completion of the 70 years and the start of the 2300 years. We know from the New Testament that at a minimum, this delay included 46 years, because that's how long the second temple was under construction--which occurred during this time. Remember, the first temple, also called Solomon's temple, had been destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar's army. Cyrus helped to furnish supplies for rebuilding the temple, but many delays and hindrances during the times of Ezra and Nehemiah kept it from being finished for decades. After it was completed, there were still some final repairs to the city itself, including its walls, that needed to be made to restore Jerusalem--the city in which God had chosen to place His name--and the third and final decree to accomplish this work of restoration, the decree that initiated Daniel's prophecy, came in the seventh year of Artaxerxes, which you will find in Ezra 7:7 (easy numbers to remember). In total, it was about 70 years that passed between the completion of the captivity and the start of the 2300-year prophecy. These dates are well established in historical references.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: 4th Quarter 2019
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11/26/19 02:22 PM
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The repetition of Ezra 2 (the list of those who returned from the Babylonian captivity with Zerubbabel and Joshua) in Nehemiah 7 is deliberate. Again, these lists might seem boring to us, but they reveal an important point, which is that God cares about details that we might not care about.
I'm not saying the Bible is wrong. I'm not saying God is wrong. But what about Goldstein? The claim is made that an important point is the detail of the lists. He is suggesting that there is detail in the lists, it is deliberate, it is repeated. Question: Do you think he compared the lists? Details like different spellings of names, additional people....? I suggest that it was not an important point, and in fact, probably is not a point at all. That there is another reason for the lists.
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Re: 4th Quarter 2019
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Speaking of, last week's: The covenant was important because it was part of God?s story in dealing with sinful humanity, and it demonstrated God?s yearning for a relationship with people. It also allowed people to demonstrate their desire to be dedicated to God.
Unfortunately, the world embraced evil more than it did God, and there came a point when the lineage of the faithful was very small, and soon there might not be any family left through whom God could fulfill His word by sending the promised Seed to save humans. At that point, God intervenes with the flood. The flood, however, was a further de-creation, a reversal and destruction of life, and yet God destroyed only what humans had already ruined (Gen. 6:11-13).
The whole idea of the great controversy was to answer a question. What was that question? Was it whether satan's form of government was better than God's? Was it to answer whether God was a dictator not allowing people to make their own choices? So the people were to demonstrate their desire to be dedicated to God. It wasn't working out how God wanted. The great controversy demonstration was failing. So God intervenes?! He interferes with the playing out of the natural consequences of the great controversy. The demonstration was not going as planned, so God had to step in and manipulate it to prove His part of the great controversy? And what would that part be..... That God controls things to His advantage.....that satan did have a valid objection..... Hmmm.....
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