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Re: Wokeness is a Secular Religion.
[Re: Rick H]
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08/02/23 04:47 AM
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It's true that faith in the Bible as the Word of God, is dropping. Even those who still believe in the infallible Word of God, have pushed the Sabbath into the realms of shadows as no longer applicable to Christians. The devil has done his best to hide the Bible truths from the masses. However, he is also very capable of using and misinterpreting the Bible, thus making it appear he is "an angel of light". I agree a huge effort is being exerted by Satan to totally obscure the sources of truth, for indeed, without knowledge of truth, the people perish. Marxism certainly is one of the devils tools to help swing about his deceptive powers. But there are some things that don't fit into your equation. For one thing, just because marxist ideas seem to be in the ascendency now, there are other forces (also from spiritualistic sources) that are also making powerful influential impact on the world. Questions -- You say I'm speaking for the church, while you speak for the world but..... Is the world not involved in the prophesied end time events? What about Revelation 18: " I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. " -- The message of truth will make an impact on the whole world. Do you believe that the three angel's message, and the fourth angel's message is just for "the church"? Or is it for the world? How about the prophecies of Babylon? Babylon is the last great deceptive power is it not? Is that just for the church, or for the world? Is Babylon's identity Marxism? (While Babylon has appropriated numerous Marxist principles, Babylon has a different identity according to prophecy -- Babylon actually still uses the Bible.) What is the identity of the image to the beast? Isn't this all part of the last attempt to deceive the whole world and bring worship to the "sun king" who is none other than satan? Does it involve just the church, or the whole world? Does it involve just a small group or every person in the whole world? Won't the whole world be given a chance to make the decision? "The whole world is to be tested, and obedience to the law of God is to be the test." {4MR 75.2} There will be a back lash to all this wokeness -- (just as there was a back lash from the French Revolution and it's total rejection of Christianity and the Bible, people are repulsed by the horror, and after Bible Societies and Christianity reaching new heights). Just because church attendance has greatly fallen does not mean certain belief systems are out of thought and mind of the people in the lands where Christianity has a strong history and can awaken. Also the devil is just as capable to use the Bible when it serves his purpose as he is in destroying people's trust in it. I have a hard time believing all these prophecies are is just about the church, not the whole world. Marxism is an evil that has been undermining God's truth, as well as societies well being and personal freedom in general, it is deceptive, but it's not the last deception or test. "the fast-spreading corruption (which is exploding in our day) is largely attributable to the desecration of the so-called "Christian sabbath," and that the enforcement of Sunday observance would greatly improve the morals of society. This claim is especially urged in America, where the doctrine of the true Sabbath has been most widely preached."
"The Protestants of the United States will be foremost in stretching their hands across the gulf to grasp the hand of spiritualism; they will reach over the abyss to clasp hands with the Roman power; and under the influence of this threefold union, this country will follow in the steps of Rome in trampling on the rights of conscience. {DD 32.2}
"As spiritualism more closely imitates the nominal Christianity of the day, it has greater power to deceive and ensnare. Satan himself is converted, after the modern order of things. He will appear in the character of an angel of light. Through the agency of spiritualism, miracles will be wrought, the sick will be healed, and many undeniable wonders will be performed. And as the spirits will profess faith in the Bible, and manifest respect for the institutions of the church, their work will be accepted as a manifestation of divine power?. {DD 33.1}
While appearing to the children of men as a great physician who can heal all their maladies, he will bring disease and disaster, until populous cities are reduced to ruin and desolation. Even now he is at work. In accidents and calamities by sea and by land, in great conflagrations, in fierce tornadoes and terrific hailstorms, in tempests, floods, cyclones, tidal waves, and earthquakes, in every place and in a thousand forms, Satan is exercising his power. He sweeps away the ripening harvest, and famine and distress follow. He imparts to the air a deadly taint, and thousands perish by the pestilence.
And then the great deceiver will persuade men that those who serve God are causing these evils. The class that have provoked the displeasure of Heaven will charge all their troubles upon those whose obedience to God's commandments is a perpetual reproof to transgressors. It will be declared that men are offending God by the violation of the Sunday sabbath; that this sin has brought calamities which will not cease until Sunday observance shall be strictly enforced; (Darkness Before Dawn Chapter seven)
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Re: Wokeness is a Secular Religion.
[Re: dedication]
#196153
08/02/23 05:51 AM
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It's true that faith in the Bible as the Word of God, is dropping. Even those who still believe in the infallible Word of God, have pushed the Sabbath into the realms of shadows as no longer applicable to Christians. The devil has done his best to hide the Bible truths from the masses. However, he is also very capable of using and misinterpreting the Bible, thus making it appear he is "an angel of light". I agree a huge effort is being exerted by Satan to totally obscure the sources of truth, for indeed, without knowledge of truth, the people perish. Marxism certainly is one of the devils tools to help swing about his deceptive powers. But there are some things that don't fit into your equation. For one thing, just because marxist ideas seem to be in the ascendency now, there are other forces (also from spiritualistic sources) that are also making powerful influential impact on the world. Questions -- You say I'm speaking for the church, while you speak for the world but..... Is the world not involved in the prophesied end time events? What about Revelation 18: " I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. " -- The message of truth will make an impact on the whole world. Do you believe that the three angel's message, and the fourth angel's message is just for "the church"? Or is it for the world? How about the prophecies of Babylon? Babylon is the last great deceptive power is it not? Is that just for the church, or for the world? Is Babylon's identity Marxism? (While Babylon has appropriated numerous Marxist principles, Babylon has a different identity according to prophecy -- Babylon actually still uses the Bible.) What is the identity of the image to the beast? Isn't this all part of the last attempt to deceive the whole world and bring worship to the "sun king" who is none other than satan? Does it involve just the church, or the whole world? Does it involve just a small group or every person in the whole world? Won't the whole world be given a chance to make the decision? "The whole world is to be tested, and obedience to the law of God is to be the test." {4MR 75.2} There will be a back lash to all this wokeness -- (just as there was a back lash from the French Revolution and it's total rejection of Christianity and the Bible, people are repulsed by the horror, and after Bible Societies and Christianity reaching new heights). Just because church attendance has greatly fallen does not mean certain belief systems are out of thought and mind of the people in the lands where Christianity has a strong history and can awaken. Also the devil is just as capable to use the Bible when it serves his purpose as he is in destroying people's trust in it. I have a hard time believing all these prophecies are is just about the church, not the whole world. Marxism is an evil that has been undermining God's truth, as well as societies well being and personal freedom in general, it is deceptive, but it's not the last deception or test. "the fast-spreading corruption (which is exploding in our day) is largely attributable to the desecration of the so-called "Christian sabbath," and that the enforcement of Sunday observance would greatly improve the morals of society. This claim is especially urged in America, where the doctrine of the true Sabbath has been most widely preached."
"The Protestants of the United States will be foremost in stretching their hands across the gulf to grasp the hand of spiritualism; they will reach over the abyss to clasp hands with the Roman power; and under the influence of this threefold union, this country will follow in the steps of Rome in trampling on the rights of conscience. {DD 32.2}
"As spiritualism more closely imitates the nominal Christianity of the day, it has greater power to deceive and ensnare. Satan himself is converted, after the modern order of things. He will appear in the character of an angel of light. Through the agency of spiritualism, miracles will be wrought, the sick will be healed, and many undeniable wonders will be performed. And as the spirits will profess faith in the Bible, and manifest respect for the institutions of the church, their work will be accepted as a manifestation of divine power?. {DD 33.1}
While appearing to the children of men as a great physician who can heal all their maladies, he will bring disease and disaster, until populous cities are reduced to ruin and desolation. Even now he is at work. In accidents and calamities by sea and by land, in great conflagrations, in fierce tornadoes and terrific hailstorms, in tempests, floods, cyclones, tidal waves, and earthquakes, in every place and in a thousand forms, Satan is exercising his power. He sweeps away the ripening harvest, and famine and distress follow. He imparts to the air a deadly taint, and thousands perish by the pestilence.
And then the great deceiver will persuade men that those who serve God are causing these evils. The class that have provoked the displeasure of Heaven will charge all their troubles upon those whose obedience to God's commandments is a perpetual reproof to transgressors. It will be declared that men are offending God by the violation of the Sunday sabbath; that this sin has brought calamities which will not cease until Sunday observance shall be strictly enforced; (Darkness Before Dawn Chapter seven) I've never said it is the final test. The Sabbath is the final test. You mentioned the French revolution and it was one of the means of under mining faith in the Bible. There is a booklet written by a guy by the name of N. N. Whiting in the APL. He traces out the spiritual results of the French revolution. What grew out of it is rationalism. It undermines faith by negating inspiration, belief in miracles, and more. I think it would be a good book for you to download and read, or read from the EG White website. It is one of the greatest reasons for the rejection of the loud cry message. The people who believe in that stuff today say things like Jesus was a wandering Jewish comic who was murdered and his body eaten by dogs..They have their own version of the NT called the 20th Century version and it teaches marxist philosophy not Christianity.
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Re: Wokeness is a Secular Religion.
[Re: Rick H]
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08/03/23 05:51 PM
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I don't disagree with you, I just like to point out that satan plays both sides. He will appear pretending to be Jesus, and it will look like the real thing, not a wandering comic. But yes, those who bought into the lies he spread from his other side and its attack on the Bible, will not know their bibles, so they will believe their senses.
Not to promote any of their works, but it is an eye opener to at least be aware of what evil spirits are communicating to their subjects (like Alice Bailey) to prepare the world for the "coming masters".
Of course our only hope and strength is to keep our eyes on the REAL Jesus, and study His Word. We are in a battle, and we want to be among the chosen, called and faithful who are on the side of the Lamb. (See Rev. 17:14) That should be our primary focus.
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Re: Wokeness is a Secular Religion.
[Re: dedication]
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08/03/23 08:45 PM
08/03/23 08:45 PM
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I don't disagree with you, I just like to point out that satan plays both sides. He will appear pretending to be Jesus, and it will look like the real thing, not a wandering comic. But yes, those who bought into the lies he spread from his other side and its attack on the Bible, will not know their bibles, so they will believe their senses.
Not to promote any of their works, but it is an eye opener to at least be aware of what evil spirits are communicating to their subjects (like Alice Bailey) to prepare the world for the "coming masters".
Of course our only hope and strength is to keep our eyes on the REAL Jesus, and study His Word. We are in a battle, and we want to be among the chosen, called and faithful who are on the side of the Lamb. (See Rev. 17:14) That should be our primary focus. That should be, in my eyes, our only focus.as we don't have time to spread our attention around. We need to be considered to be fanatics at this stage in history.
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Re: Wokeness is a Secular Religion.
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08/23/23 12:56 PM
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It's true that faith in the Bible as the Word of God, is dropping. Even those who still believe in the infallible Word of God, have pushed the Sabbath into the realms of shadows as no longer applicable to Christians. The devil has done his best to hide the Bible truths from the masses. However, he is also very capable of using and misinterpreting the Bible, thus making it appear he is "an angel of light". I agree a huge effort is being exerted by Satan to totally obscure the sources of truth, for indeed, without knowledge of truth, the people perish. Marxism certainly is one of the devils tools to help swing about his deceptive powers. But there are some things that don't fit into your equation. For one thing, just because marxist ideas seem to be in the ascendency now, there are other forces (also from spiritualistic sources) that are also making powerful influential impact on the world. Questions -- You say I'm speaking for the church, while you speak for the world but..... Is the world not involved in the prophesied end time events? What about Revelation 18: " I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. " -- The message of truth will make an impact on the whole world. Do you believe that the three angel's message, and the fourth angel's message is just for "the church"? Or is it for the world? How about the prophecies of Babylon? Babylon is the last great deceptive power is it not? Is that just for the church, or for the world? Is Babylon's identity Marxism? (While Babylon has appropriated numerous Marxist principles, Babylon has a different identity according to prophecy -- Babylon actually still uses the Bible.) What is the identity of the image to the beast? Isn't this all part of the last attempt to deceive the whole world and bring worship to the "sun king" who is none other than satan? Does it involve just the church, or the whole world? Does it involve just a small group or every person in the whole world? Won't the whole world be given a chance to make the decision? "The whole world is to be tested, and obedience to the law of God is to be the test." {4MR 75.2} There will be a back lash to all this wokeness -- (just as there was a back lash from the French Revolution and it's total rejection of Christianity and the Bible, people are repulsed by the horror, and after Bible Societies and Christianity reaching new heights). Just because church attendance has greatly fallen does not mean certain belief systems are out of thought and mind of the people in the lands where Christianity has a strong history and can awaken. Also the devil is just as capable to use the Bible when it serves his purpose as he is in destroying people's trust in it. I have a hard time believing all these prophecies are is just about the church, not the whole world. Marxism is an evil that has been undermining God's truth, as well as societies well being and personal freedom in general, it is deceptive, but it's not the last deception or test. "the fast-spreading corruption (which is exploding in our day) is largely attributable to the desecration of the so-called "Christian sabbath," and that the enforcement of Sunday observance would greatly improve the morals of society. This claim is especially urged in America, where the doctrine of the true Sabbath has been most widely preached."
"The Protestants of the United States will be foremost in stretching their hands across the gulf to grasp the hand of spiritualism; they will reach over the abyss to clasp hands with the Roman power; and under the influence of this threefold union, this country will follow in the steps of Rome in trampling on the rights of conscience. {DD 32.2}
"As spiritualism more closely imitates the nominal Christianity of the day, it has greater power to deceive and ensnare. Satan himself is converted, after the modern order of things. He will appear in the character of an angel of light. Through the agency of spiritualism, miracles will be wrought, the sick will be healed, and many undeniable wonders will be performed. And as the spirits will profess faith in the Bible, and manifest respect for the institutions of the church, their work will be accepted as a manifestation of divine power?. {DD 33.1}
While appearing to the children of men as a great physician who can heal all their maladies, he will bring disease and disaster, until populous cities are reduced to ruin and desolation. Even now he is at work. In accidents and calamities by sea and by land, in great conflagrations, in fierce tornadoes and terrific hailstorms, in tempests, floods, cyclones, tidal waves, and earthquakes, in every place and in a thousand forms, Satan is exercising his power. He sweeps away the ripening harvest, and famine and distress follow. He imparts to the air a deadly taint, and thousands perish by the pestilence.
And then the great deceiver will persuade men that those who serve God are causing these evils. The class that have provoked the displeasure of Heaven will charge all their troubles upon those whose obedience to God's commandments is a perpetual reproof to transgressors. It will be declared that men are offending God by the violation of the Sunday sabbath; that this sin has brought calamities which will not cease until Sunday observance shall be strictly enforced; (Darkness Before Dawn Chapter seven) I was just with a dear sister and brother that are facing mortality in the strongest terms, and I was able to tell them that we have almost nothing left to go through, as we are like the days of Noah and passing that of Sodom and Gomorrah. We shall see Satan appearing as a angel of light right before us in a short time, months IMHO if not days, then its the end of all this and Christ will come. Not much more to go through, but it will be too terrible for some of us and in mercy we will be put to sleep as we cannot bear this time such as never was.
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