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Sunday Sign & 2025 project #197160
12/18/23 01:48 AM
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In the movements now in progress in this country to secure for the institutions and usages of the church the support of the State, Protestants are following in the steps of papists. Nay, more, they are opening the door for popery to regain in Protestant America the supremacy which she has lost in the Old World. And that which gives greater significance to this movement is the fact that the principal object contemplated is the enforcement of Sunday observance, --a custom which originated with Rome, and which she claims as the sign of her authority.
The spirit of the papacy,--the spirit of conformity to worldly customs, the veneration for human traditions above the commands of God,--is permeating the Protestant churches, and leading them on to do the same work of Sunday exaltation which the papacy has done before them. {4SP 390}

Trampling under foot the law of God and lifting up and exalting the spurious sabbath. The world's favor is no chance matter. It is God's great plan that the Sunday question shall be agitated and the Sabbath of the fourth commandment exalted as the Lord's memorial sign of the creation of the world, and that a knowledge of truth upon the Sabbath question shall be brought before many minds as a witness. This brings the first-day sabbath-question and its weak foundation before the world. {12 MR 75}


Has anyone studied the Presidential Project for 2025
https://www.project2025.org/

"It is not enough for conservatives to win elections. If we are going to rescue the country from the grip of the radical Left, we need both a governing agenda and the right people in place, ready to carry this agenda out on Day One of the next conservative Administration.

This is the goal of the 2025 Presidential Transition Project. The project will build on four pillars that will, collectively, pave the way for an effective conservative Administration"

Re: Sunday Sign & 2025 project [Re: dedication] #197161
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So what is the Presidential Project for 2025?
How influential is it?

These are questions I have as the report has some pretty serious recommendations.

It is claimed that this is "A coalition of conservative leaders and former political appointees which has compiled a game plan for the next conservative president to restructure the federal government?s bureaucracy to make it more cost effective, high-performing, and accountable to the people."
And to break the power of the "deep state" that is controlling things in the background and ruining America.
Project 2025's advisory board consists of "a broad coalition of over 80 conservative organizations" ? mainly conservative think tanks, as well as several universities and the magazine The American Conservative.

The project 2025 report is nearly 1000 pages long.
But one whole page is about "Sabbath Rest" (Sabbath=Sunday in their thinking)

Re: Sunday Sign & 2025 project [Re: dedication] #197162
12/18/23 04:56 AM
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Project 2025 has a 180 day "playbook" labeled "Mandate for Leadership: The Conservative Promise" where they lay out the policy to be carried out immediately upon the election of the new Conservative President in President's office.

On page 589 of this playbook, there is an entire section dedicated to "Sabbath Rest."
What is the initial plan for "Sabbath Rest"?

Read it here Presidential Project 2025 Lays Down Policy and Agenda for Sabbath Rest Laws to be initiated by next Conservative President in the White House.

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Re: Sunday Sign & 2025 project [Re: dedication] #197164
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This is good. It means Jesus is coming soon. This along with CBDCs point to the very soon return of Jesus.

Re: Sunday Sign & 2025 project [Re: Garywk] #197167
12/19/23 03:12 AM
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I keep hearing from divers sources that 2025 is going to be a pivotal year in many ways: scientific, spiritual, political. The pendulum has been swinging far left for a long while; very soon, it will begin what may well be its final return stroke into far right rule.


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Sunday Sign & 2025 project [Re: ProdigalOne] #197168
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Originally Posted by ProdigalOne
I keep hearing from divers sources that 2025 is going to be a pivotal year in many ways: scientific, spiritual, political. The pendulum has been swinging far left for a long while; very soon, it will begin what may well be its final return stroke into far right rule.


What do you consider "far right" rule? I have a feeling you would consider me "far right" politically. The actual political spectrum isn't left vs right. It's anarchy on the left and totalitarian on the right. The game politicians play on us is to pit us against each other by calling the political beliefs left vs right while our countries move ever farther towards totalitarianism which is the principle of the devil's kingdom.

Re: Sunday Sign & 2025 project [Re: ProdigalOne] #197171
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Originally Posted by ProdigalOne
I keep hearing from divers sources that 2025 is going to be a pivotal year in many ways: scientific, spiritual, political. The pendulum has been swinging far left for a long while; very soon, it will begin what may well be its final return stroke into far right rule.


Very true. The pendulum is swinging!

The protestant world which is counting on the Republican Party to win the next election and to "bring back morality" to the USA, is gaining incredible strength.
If this Presidential Project for 2025 is implemented there will indeed by a pivotal year scientifically, spiritually and politically.

The "Liberal left" have taken their idea of "tolerance" to disgusting extremes, and yes that is part of the devil's scheme to facilitate a tremendous swing to bring back and enforced morality to the USA.

Many people will fail to realize the danger in what appears to be a return to Christian morals. Many don't realize that Satan wants the worship due only to God, and he can appear as being very religious as well as evil. So they will think this swing to legally doing away with all this gross immorality is a good thing, not realizing it is the crises predicted by the prophet.
Many Adventists will be on the so called "right wing" band wagon. Applauding the return to a more moral society, not realizing where all the legislation to ban immorality is leading.

Yes, there will be a mighty movement to impose morality, and strange as it may sound, this will eventually result in Satan himself appearing pretending to be Christ and enforcing "morality" and endorsing the concept that God wants people to keep Sunday. How will God's people know it's fake? While this project will claim to be according to God's laws, they will be defying God's law, and enforce sunday worship. It is sign! Sunday is the sign. Sunday is not "the Lord's Day" of worship.

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God is permitting the elements of confusion and disorder to bear sway for a season. A power from beneath is working to bring about the last great scenes in the drama--Satan coming as Christ, and working with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in those who are binding themselves together in secret societies. Those who are yielding to the passion for confederation are working out the plans of the enemy. The cause will be followed by the effect.
Transgression has almost reached its limit. Confusion fills the world, and great terror is soon to come upon human beings. The end is very near. We who know the truth should be preparing for what is soon to break upon the world as an overwhelming surprise. {8T 27-28}

As the Protestant churches reject the clear, Scriptural arguments in defense of God's law, they will long to silence those whose faith they cannot overthrow by the Bible. Though they blind their own eyes to the fact, they are now adopting a course which will lead to the persecution of those who conscientiously refuse to do what the rest of the Christian world are doing, and acknowledge the claims of the papal sabbath. {DD 35.3}

Those who honor the Bible Sabbath will be denounced as enemies of law and order, as breaking down the moral restraints of society, causing anarchy and corruption,
and calling down the judgments of God upon the earth. GC 592


Not only will Satan appear as a human being, but he will personate Jesus Christ, and the world who has rejected the truth will receive him as the Lord of lords and the King of kings. He will exercise his power and work upon human

This is a power almost overmastering delusion....the multitudes from the least to the greatest, give heed to these sorceries, saying: This is "the great power of God." Acts 8:10.
But the people of God will not be misled. The teachings of this false christ are not in accordance with the Scriptures. His blessing is pronounced upon the worshipers of the beast and his image, the very class upon whom the Bible declares that God's unmingled wrath shall be poured out. {DD 41-42}
he heals the diseases of the people, and then, in his assumed character of Christ, he claims to have changed the Sabbath to Sunday, and commands all to hallow the day which he has blessed. . . . {FLB 346.2} See GC 625


The pendulum swing that is coming will APPEAR to be good and right in many ways, thus many will be deceived.

Both sides are moving toward dictatorial control, but the one (left) side abolishes moral principles, while the other side (generally referred to as the "right") will appear to support and establish moral principles. In fact those who will oppose it will be accused as "enemies of law and order, as breaking down the moral restraints of society, causing anarchy and corruption".

Re: Sunday Sign & 2025 project [Re: Garywk] #197182
12/20/23 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Garywk
Originally Posted by ProdigalOne
I keep hearing from divers sources that 2025 is going to be a pivotal year in many ways: scientific, spiritual, political. The pendulum has been swinging far left for a long while; very soon, it will begin what may well be its final return stroke into far right rule.


What do you consider "far right" rule? I have a feeling you would consider me "far right" politically. The actual political spectrum isn't left vs right. It's anarchy on the left and totalitarian on the right. The game politicians play on us is to pit us against each other by calling the political beliefs left vs right while our countries move ever farther towards totalitarianism which is the principle of the devil's kingdom.


There are only two sides: those who follow God and those who follow Satan. Politics is merely smoke and mirrors to obfuscate this simple truth. Years ago, I took the political compass test. The result was centre/right. Because, the Overton Window has been deliberately shifted left, I am now considered far right. This is irrelevant, all that matters is who you follow: God or Satan.

I believe the far right will be the instrument employed to bring in the Sunday law. However, it does not matter. Right or Left are a smokescreen to cloak evil in white robes of pseudo-moral righteousness.


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Sunday Sign & 2025 project [Re: dedication] #197183
12/21/23 02:34 AM
12/21/23 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by dedication
Originally Posted by ProdigalOne
I keep hearing from divers sources that 2025 is going to be a pivotal year in many ways: scientific, spiritual, political. The pendulum has been swinging far left for a long while; very soon, it will begin what may well be its final return stroke into far right rule.


Very true. The pendulum is swinging!

The protestant world which is counting on the Republican Party to win the next election and to "bring back morality" to the USA, is gaining incredible strength.
If this Presidential Project for 2025 is implemented there will indeed by a pivotal year scientifically, spiritually and politically.

The "Liberal left" have taken their idea of "tolerance" to disgusting extremes, and yes that is part of the devil's scheme to facilitate a tremendous swing to bring back and enforced morality to the USA.

Many people will fail to realize the danger in what appears to be a return to Christian morals. Many don't realize that Satan wants the worship due only to God, and he can appear as being very religious as well as evil. So they will think this swing to legally doing away with all this gross immorality is a good thing, not realizing it is the crises predicted by the prophet.
Many Adventists will be on the so called "right wing" band wagon. Applauding the return to a more moral society, not realizing where all the legislation to ban immorality is leading.

Yes, there will be a mighty movement to impose morality, and strange as it may sound, this will eventually result in Satan himself appearing pretending to be Christ and enforcing "morality" and endorsing the concept that God wants people to keep Sunday. How will God's people know it's fake? While this project will claim to be according to God's laws, they will be defying God's law, and enforce sunday worship. It is sign! Sunday is the sign. Sunday is not "the Lord's Day" of worship.

Quote
God is permitting the elements of confusion and disorder to bear sway for a season. A power from beneath is working to bring about the last great scenes in the drama--Satan coming as Christ, and working with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in those who are binding themselves together in secret societies. Those who are yielding to the passion for confederation are working out the plans of the enemy. The cause will be followed by the effect.
Transgression has almost reached its limit. Confusion fills the world, and great terror is soon to come upon human beings. The end is very near. We who know the truth should be preparing for what is soon to break upon the world as an overwhelming surprise. {8T 27-28}

As the Protestant churches reject the clear, Scriptural arguments in defense of God's law, they will long to silence those whose faith they cannot overthrow by the Bible. Though they blind their own eyes to the fact, they are now adopting a course which will lead to the persecution of those who conscientiously refuse to do what the rest of the Christian world are doing, and acknowledge the claims of the papal sabbath. {DD 35.3}

Those who honor the Bible Sabbath will be denounced as enemies of law and order, as breaking down the moral restraints of society, causing anarchy and corruption,
and calling down the judgments of God upon the earth. GC 592


Not only will Satan appear as a human being, but he will personate Jesus Christ, and the world who has rejected the truth will receive him as the Lord of lords and the King of kings. He will exercise his power and work upon human

This is a power almost overmastering delusion....the multitudes from the least to the greatest, give heed to these sorceries, saying: This is "the great power of God." Acts 8:10.
But the people of God will not be misled. The teachings of this false christ are not in accordance with the Scriptures. His blessing is pronounced upon the worshipers of the beast and his image, the very class upon whom the Bible declares that God's unmingled wrath shall be poured out. {DD 41-42}
he heals the diseases of the people, and then, in his assumed character of Christ, he claims to have changed the Sabbath to Sunday, and commands all to hallow the day which he has blessed. . . . {FLB 346.2} See GC 625


The pendulum swing that is coming will APPEAR to be good and right in many ways, thus many will be deceived.

Both sides are moving toward dictatorial control, but the one (left) side abolishes moral principles, while the other side (generally referred to as the "right") will appear to support and establish moral principles. In fact those who will oppose it will be accused as "enemies of law and order, as breaking down the moral restraints of society, causing anarchy and corruption".



As I mentioned to you at camp meeting last summer, I admire (and am more than a little envious) of your excellent knowledge of the SOP. Thank you for the pertinent quotes, and please keep them coming.

If the increasingly rapid societal/political move toward the Right is truly the final swing of the left/right pendulum, I wonder if we will see a new, right leaning, Pope soon? Francis has been playing the part of the woke leftist, and he is aging out. He missed COP28 due to a lung infection. More and more nations are electing right wing leaders. I am not one of those who thinks the order or number of Popes has any particular prophetic significance; however, it would seem to be a sound strategy considering the growing momentum of the global Right.


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Sunday Sign & 2025 project [Re: ProdigalOne] #197184
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Originally Posted by ProdigalOne
Originally Posted by dedication
Originally Posted by ProdigalOne
I keep hearing from divers sources that 2025 is going to be a pivotal year in many ways: scientific, spiritual, political. The pendulum has been swinging far left for a long while; very soon, it will begin what may well be its final return stroke into far right rule.


Very true. The pendulum is swinging!

The protestant world which is counting on the Republican Party to win the next election and to "bring back morality" to the USA, is gaining incredible strength.
If this Presidential Project for 2025 is implemented there will indeed by a pivotal year scientifically, spiritually and politically.

The "Liberal left" have taken their idea of "tolerance" to disgusting extremes, and yes that is part of the devil's scheme to facilitate a tremendous swing to bring back and enforced morality to the USA.

Many people will fail to realize the danger in what appears to be a return to Christian morals. Many don't realize that Satan wants the worship due only to God, and he can appear as being very religious as well as evil. So they will think this swing to legally doing away with all this gross immorality is a good thing, not realizing it is the crises predicted by the prophet.
Many Adventists will be on the so called "right wing" band wagon. Applauding the return to a more moral society, not realizing where all the legislation to ban immorality is leading.

Yes, there will be a mighty movement to impose morality, and strange as it may sound, this will eventually result in Satan himself appearing pretending to be Christ and enforcing "morality" and endorsing the concept that God wants people to keep Sunday. How will God's people know it's fake? While this project will claim to be according to God's laws, they will be defying God's law, and enforce sunday worship. It is sign! Sunday is the sign. Sunday is not "the Lord's Day" of worship.

Quote
God is permitting the elements of confusion and disorder to bear sway for a season. A power from beneath is working to bring about the last great scenes in the drama--Satan coming as Christ, and working with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in those who are binding themselves together in secret societies. Those who are yielding to the passion for confederation are working out the plans of the enemy. The cause will be followed by the effect.
Transgression has almost reached its limit. Confusion fills the world, and great terror is soon to come upon human beings. The end is very near. We who know the truth should be preparing for what is soon to break upon the world as an overwhelming surprise. {8T 27-28}

As the Protestant churches reject the clear, Scriptural arguments in defense of God's law, they will long to silence those whose faith they cannot overthrow by the Bible. Though they blind their own eyes to the fact, they are now adopting a course which will lead to the persecution of those who conscientiously refuse to do what the rest of the Christian world are doing, and acknowledge the claims of the papal sabbath. {DD 35.3}

Those who honor the Bible Sabbath will be denounced as enemies of law and order, as breaking down the moral restraints of society, causing anarchy and corruption,
and calling down the judgments of God upon the earth. GC 592


Not only will Satan appear as a human being, but he will personate Jesus Christ, and the world who has rejected the truth will receive him as the Lord of lords and the King of kings. He will exercise his power and work upon human

This is a power almost overmastering delusion....the multitudes from the least to the greatest, give heed to these sorceries, saying: This is "the great power of God." Acts 8:10.
But the people of God will not be misled. The teachings of this false christ are not in accordance with the Scriptures. His blessing is pronounced upon the worshipers of the beast and his image, the very class upon whom the Bible declares that God's unmingled wrath shall be poured out. {DD 41-42}
he heals the diseases of the people, and then, in his assumed character of Christ, he claims to have changed the Sabbath to Sunday, and commands all to hallow the day which he has blessed. . . . {FLB 346.2} See GC 625


The pendulum swing that is coming will APPEAR to be good and right in many ways, thus many will be deceived.

Both sides are moving toward dictatorial control, but the one (left) side abolishes moral principles, while the other side (generally referred to as the "right") will appear to support and establish moral principles. In fact those who will oppose it will be accused as "enemies of law and order, as breaking down the moral restraints of society, causing anarchy and corruption".



As I mentioned to you at camp meeting last summer, I admire (and am more than a little envious) of your excellent knowledge of the SOP. Thank you for the pertinent quotes, and please keep them coming.

If the increasingly rapid societal/political move toward the Right is truly the final swing of the left/right pendulum, I wonder if we will see a new, right leaning, Pope soon? Francis has been playing the part of the woke leftist, and he is aging out. He missed COP28 due to a lung infection. More and more nations are electing right wing leaders. I am not one of those who thinks the order or number of Popes has any particular prophetic significance; however, it would seem to be a sound strategy considering the growing momentum of the global Right.


Political persuasions have nothing to do with end time events. They have everything to do with the delusions the devil as casting upon the world. His kingdom is run by force not led by love.

I'll surprise you even further. Russia is a Christian country. Putin is not an evil man and Russian troops do not go around raping women. I watch a you tube site called Military summary channel run by a Bellorussian (sp?). He has video evidence of an entire Russian company kneeling in prayer that he posted a couple of days ago.

I also have evidence that Russia started a UN resolution to condemn Nazism. You know who voted against it? The US and their allies.

[url] https://sputnikglobe.com/20231219/u...-glorification-of-nazism-1115685980.html [url/]

I had to give you this link because the western media is so controlled they will not tell you this. Also, the CIA has been in Ukraine since 1948 supporting Nazis. The Azov battalion is all Nazis. The Donbas joined Russia because the Nazis have been killing Russians since the so-called Maidan revolution in 2014. They're still shelling and using rockets to attack large Donbas cities like Donetsk and killing civilians. I used to have evidence for all this but it's been taken off line since I last posted it on another forum.

Our world is very close to the end. Much closer than most SDAs think it is as way too many SDAs watch MSM and just accept what they are told. Censorship is even worse in Canada.

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