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Re: Can We Actually Go And Sin No More?
#31977
04/21/03 01:04 AM
04/21/03 01:04 AM
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Will, I guess we are in agreement. Right on. Thank you Jesus!
Luckymoose, welcome. Do you think it would be better if we stick with the way the Bible puts it? The operative word is IF we sin - not when. What do you think?
1. We shall often have to bow down and weep at the feet of Jesus because of our shortcomings and mistakes, but we are not to be discouraged. Even if we are overcome by the enemy, we are not cast off, not forsaken and rejected of God. No; Christ is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Said the beloved John, "These things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous." 1 John 2:1. And do not forget the words of Christ, "The Father Himself loveth you." John 16:27. He desires to restore you to Himself, to see His own purity and holiness reflected in you. And if you will but yield yourself to Him, He that hath begun a good work in you will carry it forward to the day of Jesus Christ. Pray more fervently; believe more fully. As we come to distrust our own power, let us trust the power of our Redeemer, and we shall praise Him who is the health of our countenance. {SC 64.1}
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Re: Can We Actually Go And Sin No More?
#31978
04/21/03 01:11 AM
04/21/03 01:11 AM
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You are correct LuckyMoose. It is a daily walk with Christ and we will be blameless on the day of judgment through Christ. It is the guiding of the Holy Spirit that leads us into all truths to the glory of God. If you say that you are without sin then the bible clearly tells you that is not the case. The bible does not contradict itself. Remember Peter.. Didnt he deny Christ 3X's, and in public even! Is his soul lost? and mind you this is after the fact that He witnessed all the miracles Christ did, and even walked on the water because his faith was so strong in Christ, but he repented from his sins. quote:
1 John 1:7-10
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
This does not by any means however give the right for someone to continue to openly sin against God.That is not what I am saying or even have implied at all. I think the verses above and other verses that have been posted by myself and others will give guidance on this issue, and understand that God loves us and He will forgive us and understands our frame. Any comments or insights are greatly appreciated.
God Bless,
Will
[ April 21, 2003, 03:04 AM: Message edited by: Will ]
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Re: Can We Actually Go And Sin No More?
#31979
04/21/03 06:03 AM
04/21/03 06:03 AM
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We are in agreement Mike I believe that The Lord wants all of us on the same page, and it is a joy to know that The Lord works on all of us thousands of miles apart via a forum ![[Smile]](images/icons/smile.gif) As for your last post it was on target and very true. Definitely the operative word is if we sin. I dont plan on sinning tomorrow or 4 years from now, but if I do or anyone of us do then the verses mentioned are definitely reconciled,and this is another powerful testimony to the inerrancy of the Word of God. quote:
1Co 14:33 For God is not [the author] of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Also Mike you used a quote from a book named SC. What does SC stand for?
God Bless,
Will
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Re: Can We Actually Go And Sin No More?
#31980
04/21/03 12:58 PM
04/21/03 12:58 PM
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SC means Steps To Christ.That is where I located the quote.
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Re: Can We Actually Go And Sin No More?
#31981
04/22/03 03:35 AM
04/22/03 03:35 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Daryl Fawcett:
Can we actually go and sin no more?
In other words, can we actually achieve sinlessness in this life?
Can we find our answer in the Bible on such an important question?
The problem with your question is the unjustified conclusion on which it is based. There is no evidence that when Jesus told the woman "God and sin no more," that what He meant to say was "God and become sinless." However, millions of sermons and bible studies have been made on the basis of this false assumption, with the attendant misdirection in theology.
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Re: Can We Actually Go And Sin No More?
#31982
04/22/03 04:35 AM
04/22/03 04:35 AM
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To Mike Lowe,
You asked, "Do you believe we are born again free from both categories?"
I believe, perhaps, you misunderstood what I was trying to say. I believe the sins we "commit," whether intentional or unintentional, are irrevalent to the overall picture. That which determines our final destiny is not what we do, but which side we choose to be on, Christ's or Satan's. Consider the situation of an adopted child. Once the child is adopted, his/her actions (good or bad) have no effect on the child's membership in the family. Similarly, a spouse's actions have no effect on the fact of the marriage. Of course, actions can lead a family to throw a child out or a person to divorce a spouse but that's a separate procedure independent of any action. And it is fascinating to note that in God's dealings with us, He will not instigate a divorce-like procedure (Rom 8:35-39). So a few "wild oats," "testing the limits," or defiance (see Psalm 106:23) will not keep us out of heaven. Only open rebellion, or as I John 3:4 says, lawlessness, will keep us from heaven. In other words, God won't force us in if we don't want to go (though Luke 14:13 seems to question even that concept).
Bob Lee
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Re: Can We Actually Go And Sin No More?
#31983
04/22/03 02:53 PM
04/22/03 02:53 PM
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Darius,
Then what do you say that Christ meant when He told the woman to go and sin no more?
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Re: Can We Actually Go And Sin No More?
#31984
04/23/03 03:39 AM
04/23/03 03:39 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Daryl Fawcett:
Darius,
Then what do you say that Christ meant when He told the woman to go and sin no more?
Viewed in the context of the good news Jesus came to proclaim instead of imposing rules on His lost creation, it becomes clear to me that this was a statement of blessing rather than the imposition of a rule. There was no need for the rule because the deliverance was in response to her desire to follow Him all the way. She already had the desire to live as she should.
Darius
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Re: Can We Actually Go And Sin No More?
#31985
04/22/03 06:28 PM
04/22/03 06:28 PM
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Darius, I don't see it that way. If I had been the woman caught in the very act of adultery, had been thrown before Christ by my accusers, had heard Christ say, "Neither do I condemn thee, go and sin no more," I think I would understand that Christ didn't want me to sin any more. Here is another Bible reference on this question: quote:
John 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
Here is Christ seeking out a person and then telling that person to sin no more. Remember that this person didn't previously even know who had healed him.
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John 5:15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.
What then did Christ mean by sin no more in this text?
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Re: Can We Actually Go And Sin No More?
#31986
04/22/03 08:30 PM
04/22/03 08:30 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Daryl Fawcett:
John 5:14[/b] Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
Here is Christ seeking out a person and then telling that person to sin no more. Remember that this person didn't previously even know who had healed him.
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Certainly you do not believe Jesus is advocating retributive justice which the text appears to imply. The purpose of the statement is to assure the individuals and all of us that we are no longer slaves to sin. The devil would want us to believe that we have no choice but to sin because we are evil by nature; Jesus assures us that this is not the case.
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